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meursault

28th April 2015, 00:20
Seemingly conciliatory at least, Kilgore. So thank you. If you look no further that wikipedia, the suggested casualties for the whole campaign were UK 21K, France 10K, Anzacs circa 5K but others also ca 6K. Not all UK would be English, so English less than 50%.

The thing about the first day of the conflict, 25th April, it had been hopelessly telegraphed for a couple of months due to naval bombardments, and Ataturk had ample opportunity to prepare. The first landings were primarily by Anzacs. They were slaughtered. This is one reason why 25th is Anzac Day. Another reason is that this was the first time Oz and NZ had participated in such a disastrous conflict.
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greedy kite

28th April 2015, 06:51
I iknow it's not "done" to express any serious political opinions (even in the widest sense) on this forum, but how about interpreting pacifist poetry like Brooke's a little more generally, I find it a bit secondary to say that English/British patriotism should not be celebrated on the so-called Anzac Day (whatever the rights & wrongs involved there) --- surely the anti-war message is far more important? Or do you object to that, too, meursault?
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greedy kite

28th April 2015, 09:51
To meursault in particular: After reading much more about Brooke, I now retract my argument in the previous posting --- far from being pacifist in nature, that poem is (& the poet was) indeed very patriotic. Whether the theme of the puzzle is really inappropriate on what we call "Anzac Day", whatever the statistics say, seems to me a very different point that is not so easily
settled.
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rosalind

28th April 2015, 09:55
" and gentleness
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven"
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meursault

28th April 2015, 11:30
Greedy Kite, I accept that body count by nationality doesn't settle the argument. 1st Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers were also among the first to land on 25th. And many Anzacs did and do feel strong connections to their country of origin. The point I was making is simply that if another nation, or pair of nations, feel so strongly about this episode of history that they commemorate it by a named day, then it's inelegant of the Listener to overlook that and to apply 'old empire' perspective. To my mind, inappropriate.
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wouldbesolver

28th April 2015, 16:32
I think maybe I have something wrong, as I still can't find the last 4 cells to highlight. I am sure I have the right work - I have the diagonal, the two lights referred to in the extra letters clue, and the poet, but I don't see anything else apart from the top line, which is far more than 4 cells!
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wouldbesolver

28th April 2015, 18:25
The penny has just dropped! I thought that the two clued entries needed to be counted as part of the highlighting so I wasn't looking for enough letters.
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