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Steve, the wandering apostrophe strikes again - I'm not surprised you had a 'Grrr' moment.

Earlier tonight I watched the BBC programme about the first year in various animals' lives. At one point the voiceover said, 'At around eight months of age, [gorilla] mothers become less protective...' The mothers weren't eight months old, the babies were.

Thanks Malone

I have been away for a couple of days. I love all that stuff. I am glad you did not use Person of Indeterminate Gender, or even worse, Person of Indeterminate Sex. I don't know the difference between Gender and Sex anyway.

I like "Per Grunger". But you say it stands for Per(son). I suppose it is Per(daughter) in our case.

Loves Malone and Grunger,

I have been interested in your attempts to find a respectful way of addressing people. I have come up with the above, which only works for addressing 2 or more women.

I leave it for you to solve. I think the last letter has 2 possibilities.

Grunger

Glad you didn't mind my flight of fancy with the names, terminology. Even though the 'son' in 'person' isn't based on familial structures, your post made me have a re-think. Perhaps I/we should switch to Hum - as in Human? I feel 'Per' has a slightly better tone to it, but I certainly wouldn't want to upset or offend anyone. I'll give it some more thought.

Jigjag

I've been considering your new form of address. I have a dreadful feeling that the first letter might stand for 'ladies' - another of my pet hates! Still...
Ladies Of Very Elegant Sensibilities

Ladies Of Very Extreme Sensitivities

jigjag

I love loves, but not luvvies. I am sure Malone is right about ladies. I dont mind it, depending on context, as I play ladies sports.

"of" and "very" must be right. Malone's solutions describe us perfectly, but perhaps you meant

Ladies Of Very Evident Silliness (which we have admitted to in some of our spoof stories), or

Ladies Of Very Exotic/Erotic ............... (cannot think of a suitable word)

Malone
I like the "hum" but it does not pass the sniff test. Per(haps) Per is better

Grunger

Thanks. We'll stick with Per for now.

I liked your first listing for Jigjag's designation, but the second can't be referencing me as 'exotic' and 'erotic' are totally inapplicable!

I can cope with 'Ladies', in women's (!) sport when it's something such as Wimbledon, where there's also a championship for 'Gentlemen'. I'd never use it for most sports - ladies football and ladies* rugby both just sound so wrong somehow. I was pleased when some of the clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal, for example, changed the names of their (female) teams.

* I'm in a non-apostrophe mood tonight.

Wolves Malone and Grunger,

................that was my my initial thought: Women Or Ladies of Very Elegant Style/Sophistication.

But I could not resist the temptation to tease Malone, as I knew she was not a fan of "ladies", so "Loves "it was.

I loved your suggestions though!

I like Malone's "Hum", but is rather like the "Hun", that the newsagent lady/woman uses to greet me. I am rather irritated by "Hello, Hun". I am not sure if she sees Attila-like qualities in me, or if it is short for the awful Americanism "Honey".

I dare not ask her and would not like to upset her, but she calls other customers "love". I am not sure if she is being more friendly to me or less.

Hum or Hun? - I think that on balance, Hum has it.

In some Dilbert cartoons, Alice is referred to as "Hun", and it's not a term of endearment!

ChrisE

Thanks, that's what I feared - she is not being friendly to me!

jigjag

I suppose it is how she says it - with a smile - or does she look terrified when you enter the shop?