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williamseal

8th June 2025, 12:50
Have struggled on both the NE and SW corners to such an extent that I have now thrown in the towel. It's a shame since I was enjoying it yesterday.
I wish you all well but do feel the need for a little more hints, perhaps later in the week. We've had this debate endlessly but the first division solvers don't have to look at the thread and can afford to allow us thickos a little more latitude. (I know you are in a difficult place on this Norah).
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candledave

8th June 2025, 13:01
What clues would you like hints on?
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kindred2

8th June 2025, 13:32
Well I have a full grid and the four Ladies and know where they are from. I have the message.

Cannot for the life of me sort out encoding the sequence differently. Is it too much to ask for clarification on whether the different encoding uses just the extra words? Because I'm not getting anywhere with just those words!!!
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dodgepot

8th June 2025, 13:52
Williamseal, I think I give more help than most on Listener puzzles, but I disagree with your premise that all solvers have divine right to complete all puzzles. It’s a prize competition, with statistics to show annual completion percentage. If they are to mean anything, then it should still be an achievement to complete. If everything is spoon fed, and goodness knows there is enough help in most weeks, then it’s meaningless.

The other point is that it’s impossible to give help at certain points in some puzzles without giving the endgame away. That is, correctly in my view, frowned on in these threads, which is why this thread has been more silent than most.
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candledave

8th June 2025, 13:56
kindred - yes it’s just using the extra words
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unclued

8th June 2025, 13:58
I agree that help here should be limited and anyone wanting more detailed information may want to try the Listener Forum on Facebook where it seems anything goes!
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kindred2

8th June 2025, 14:40
Thanks candledave, now that I have stopped second guessing myself it has all fallen nicely into place!
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williamseal

8th June 2025, 15:30
Let me simply ask readers to compare and contrast the posts from candeledave (thanks to him/her) and dodgepot. I'll leave it at that,
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dodgepot

8th June 2025, 15:48
Williamseal, I give plenty of clarifications on these threads. See post 32. You would know if you read them. And I have helped you plenty of times in the past. I will no longer bother. There are too many who seek help on these threads and too few who give it. Drxx has left the building, and now I’m off. Soon there won’t be any left. Good luck
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malone

8th June 2025, 16:01
Dodgepot, I hope you'll reconsider - I'm sure many people (most people) appreciate the help you give on these threads.

Williamseal, the wording in the opening post - about 'gentle nudges', pointers etc - is as it is because Norah, site administrator, sought and got the views of Forum members. Most people felt that this would be the right level of help - and I don't think that needs to change just because someone is struggling with a particular puzzle!
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