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rusty

25th June 2016, 10:47
Good morning, Elle!
Fine day here.
Yes, I was out earlier!
Before the Independence referendum, the Better Together leaders, Cameron, Gordon Brown, and Nick Clegg, came North and told us voting No to Independence would guarantee our place in EU.
Scotland voted No, and now we are being taken out of the EU, unwillingly.
Cameron, Brown, and Clegg lied to us.
The UK government has lost whatever credibility it had.
So all bets are off, as far as everyone I have spoken to thinks.
Our cabinet is meeting in Edinburgh right now to decide the way ahead. There were rallies in Edinburgh and Glasgow last night.
I see change ahead.
Good luck with the crossword!
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elle

25th June 2016, 11:17
Hi, Rusty!
I entirely agree with you - that promise certainly has backfired.
And although I ( and my Scottish relatives) should prefer Scotland to stay part of the UK, I quite see your (and others) point (s) of view.
I am now reading that there has been a petition set up proposing that London be declared "Independent" and that the new Mayor apply for London to join the EU by itself!
The whole country is going mad!!
I should move out of London, I think, were that ever to happen!
There are times when principles are more important than economies!
I cannot even concentrate on the crossword , I am so fired up!
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rusty

25th June 2016, 11:59
Hello, Elle!
I saw a good one up here today.
That the Remains, Scotland and London, should join together, and be called ScotLond!
Just watched Ms Sturgeon assure my fellow immigrants and me that we are very welcome to remain in Scotland.
Very nice of her!!
Very interesting times we live in, Elle.
You should not be in too much of a hurry to leave London.
It is a great city that you frequently praise and enjoy living in, and who knows where we are heading.
The National athletic championships are on this weekend, so hopefully get some on television. And Lizzie defends her title on the road, too.
There is you, fired up, and many more like you, so do not worry about it!
Perfectly normal in times of change.
I have not looked at crossword yet, it is normally my teatime treat!
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pigale

25th June 2016, 12:18
Hi everyone,

I might become very unpopular on the Forum, but I shall take that risk; but PLEASE TAKE IT AS IT IS MEANT - just my own reaction to this very important referendum.

If the Brits are not interested in Europe, then why should they want to enjoy what a European country has to offer? Why shouldn't France send back home all the UK people who have a house in our country? You don't want immigration, but many British people have more or less emigrated to France (or elsewhere). Brittany and the Dordogne are often referred to as 'little England' - I have nothing against that, I know it's often only a second residence and that money is invested in the restauration of old houses, but I also know that some bring in their own architect and workmen to do the work - that's not really fair !

For what it's worth, I think that in the long term, the referendum outcome will prove to be the most careless decision the UK has ever made; for one, it is going to divide you internally (Scotland and perhaps even Ireland)
The UK might not exist anymore and little Britain will be very lonely, and vulnerable, likely to become America's puppet!

Sorry if I have offended anyone, I certainly did not mean to !
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elle

25th June 2016, 12:26
I think what some of us are considering, is the future "character" and "morality" of our country.
We want to be free- thinking, self -governing and British!
We don't want to accept our living principles and laws from Brussels!
We want to abide by our own.
We want to have our own chosen elected ministers decide for us - not some big-wigs elsewhere.
I think this is far more important than thinking about our social economies and such.
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eirlys

25th June 2016, 12:29
Our first day of independence has gone just swimmingly:

1. Nigel Farage went on the tele and retracted the (false) claim that we send £350 million per week to the EU that would now be re-directed to the NHS and said Vote Leave should never have made that commitment to voters in the first place. Yesterday, this commitment was on the side of Vote Leave busses across the country. Exit polling indicates additional funding for the NHS was cited as a reason for leaving by nearly 80% of leave voters.
2. Daniel Hannan MEP retracted the (false) claim that leaving the EU will lead to drastically reduced immigration into Britain. Exit polling indicates this was the second most cited reason voters gave for leaving the EU. Would have been nice if Vote Leave had bothered to be honest with voters about both of these matters before today.
3. S&P, the only rating agency still giving the UK a AAA credit rating, confirms it has placed that rating under review for downgrade. It appears a downgrade is much more likely than not. Borrowing costs to fund Britain’s large deficit are set to increase markedly.
4. Sterling collapsed to its lowest level against the USD in three decades, the biggest single day drop in the history of the currency. It is the third biggest single day drop in any currency ever. It is currently $1.36, down an incredible 13 cents against the dollar in less than 24 hours from a high of $1.49 yesterday.
5. Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, has said a second independence referendum is “highly likely”. Scots will likely vote on dismembering the United Kingdom in the next few years, which will fuel uncertainty and economic turmoil.
6. Sinn Fein and various others in Northern Ireland call for a border poll on reunification.
7. Spain calls for co-sovereignty over Gibraltar.
8. More than £1.5 trillion in wealth was wiped out across global markets in just a few hours this morning, the single greatest wealth destroying event in stock market history. That's 187 years’ worth of British contributions to the EU. Seems worth it to get that money back from Brussels though.
9. The FTSE 100 (largely multinationals) fell more than 8% and the FTSE 250 (which reflects mostly British firms rather than multinationals) fell more than 12%. Both steadied after Mark Carney declared that the Bank of England would not hesitate to intervene to instil stability, the same sort of intervention that Mario Draghi had to make to save the Euro during the Greek crisis and that the G7 had to make to save the global economy after the collapse of Lehman. Brexit is an event that ranks alongside those crises in terms of effects on global markets.
10. Ultimately, the FTSE 100 finished down 3% and the FTSE 250 down 7%. Hundreds of billions of pounds has been wiped off people’s ISAs and pension funds. Banks in particular have been hammered.
11. David Cameron resigned without mapping out any plan for implementing the results of the referendum. Boris Johnson is odds on favourite to be our next Prime Minister. In October.
12. Labour MPs have moved for a vote of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn which will be considered by the party on Monday.
13. The presidents of the European Council, Commission and Parliament told us to invoke Article 50 and leave as soon as possible and the settlement negotiated by David Cameron earlier this year is now void.
14. Nigel Farage, who earlier claimed that independence was achieved "without a single bullet being fired", just called for UK gun laws to be relaxed, one week after Jo Cox was murdered on the street in broad daylight. With a gun.


Oh dear...that is all I have to say. This will be deleted, I guess :(
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rusty

25th June 2016, 12:41
Hello, Pigale!
You are certainly not unpopular with me at any rate.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Folk have been migrating across the world for thousands of years.
That will not stop, and I think it is a very good thing.
Could the folk who bring their own workmen not be using the men whose work they know and trust?
I have my own list of tradesmen who have done work for me and are first class, so I trust them.
The referendum has taken place, Pigale, and the people have spoken, so let us see what will happen.
I see today that Unionist MP Ian Paisley is telling his constituency to apply for Irish passports.
I never thought I would live to see that happening!
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elle

25th June 2016, 12:41
I don't think we need to ask which way you voted, Eirlys!
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eirlys

25th June 2016, 12:48
I was just stating the facts,as they are today Elle. :)
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rusty

25th June 2016, 12:52
Hello, Eirlys!
I certainly hope your excellent "update" is not removed!
If I may add that the Dow Jones closed over 600 points down too.
We are moving into uncharted territory!
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