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rusty

24th March 2016, 08:10
Good morning, Rosalind!
That is interesting regarding Camp coffee.
I shall have a wee look today.
You are obviously a very talented cake-maker!
Best of luck with that!
Talking of freezing and working fast.
I saw a television programme not long ago about underground railways.
When they were constructing the Paris system, the land around and under the Seine was like liquid mud. Tunneling through it was impossible. Then the engineers decided to freeze the ground and then tunnel through it under the river, and it worked!
They shored up the tunnel as they were drilling through the frozen ground.
Very clever, I thought!
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elle

24th March 2016, 10:00
Good morning, Rusty!
A fine day here - a little chillier than of late.
A very pleasant walk though.
How was the "scenic route" to Asda?
I don't like clues where the answer is "hidden " either! I am not too sure about "Hopi" but think it is correct?
I may have to leave my crosswords till later today. A friend is coming round for coffee, before we go out to lunch, so she should be here in half an hour or so - and I have yet to get changed out of my dog- walking gear.
I read what you said about freezing the ground in order to tunnel.
I believe that pipes are laid underground and refrigerants passed through to freeze the earth?
But how is the soil kept in a frozen state? presumably it would have to remain frozen "solid"?
Do you know how this works?
(or will I need to put it on my list to "research" later?)
Have you got a nice day ? What are you planning?
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rusty

24th March 2016, 10:14
Hello, Elle!
Scenic route was fine!
Even found Camp coffee!
ASDA had jars of their own coffee for 47 pence!
Very cheap but I wonder what it is like?
This frozen ground?
I understood that the ground was permeated with a gas or chemical to freeze it. They shored up the tunnel and built it as they were "tunneling" (one "L" or two?).
I would think that once the tunnel was created it would not matter what the ground was like?
I look forward to your finding out about it.
It was tunneling under the Seine that problematic.
Yes, Hopi looks good, but they are Native Americans not Indians, no matter what Chambers etc say.
I expect better from The Times!
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elle

24th March 2016, 16:02
Good afternoon, Rusty!
Lunch was good! We went to a restaurant fairly near by, which is an old favourite!
I don't know Camp coffee? I think though that it may be ringing a very faint bell...... I seem to remember my mother having some in the kitchen cupboard......if it is what I am vaguely recalling, then it is a liquid? in a glass bottle? not granular as coffee is now?
I have never tasted it though, of that I am sure!
I have tried looking up "frozen ground" etc but am finding it difficult to follow!
In some instances, it would appear that having established the tunnel or whatever, then there is no need to continue to freeze the earth.
But in other instances, it talks of the "ice-wall" being maintained for several years, even decades.
I'll pass on this one........!
I am just going to have a look at the crosswords.......
Oh, nearly forgot....did you go out for a walk? (re moving more?)
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rusty

24th March 2016, 17:50
Hello, Elle,
I think Camp has "essence of chicory and coffee" on the label.
It is a liquid.
This is what I have found regarding the Paris railway.
"The crossing of the Seine also involved the freezing of the saturated ground between the station of Saint-Michel and the Seine under the line of the Chemin de Fer de Paris a Orleans (now RER line C) in 1908 and 1909.
The installation of two refrigeration plants allowed the movement of brine cooled to -25°C in dozens of tubes to stabilize the ground."
It was mighty impressive!
Yes, more moving today, but I am still going to swot up on granddaughter clocks!
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elle

24th March 2016, 19:19
Hey, Rusty!
I cannot believe that Easter is nearly here!
Good Friday tomorrow!
Where does the time go?
We have been buying chocolate eggs for the grandkids! (obviously not for the baby! I got him a little present!)
What do you do with your grandchildren? do you buy them eggs - or are they too old for that now?
Easter eggs are a pagan practice , aren't they? but fun for the children none-the-less!
My dad used to hard- boil eggs and paint faces on them, when I was small! He would even stick on false "hair"!
I loved it!
I don't think folk do that sort of thing these days , do they? Funny, I've never thought of that for years until this Easter!
And there were ceremonies of rolling eggs down hills......... does that still occur? And where?
Not to mention Easter egg hunts!
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rusty

24th March 2016, 21:03
Hello, Elle!
I do not celebrate Easter. Don't think the young ones do, either.
I think Easter preceded Christianity.
I am not at all sure how you define "pagan", though I may fall into that category?
Nina is free to ride in the National.
The powers that be who suspended her and Sam Waley-Cohen did not understand their own rules and have changed their decisions.
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elle

24th March 2016, 22:17
Hi, Rusty!
Remember, we were talking only recently about Easter preceding Christianity?
- and discovered then that it originated as a "pagan" festival? and was only adopted later in connection with the birth of Jesus?
Easter eggs and such derived from this "old" occasion., and have nothing to do with the religious aspect now associated with Easter.
The kids enjoy them and the other "frivolities" associated with the occasion, like egg-rolling!
That is good news about Nina's being able to ride in the National!
I do not quite follow though how the decision came to be reversed?
I though she was suspended for over-use of her whip?
On what grounds was this altered?
Please can you explain?
And I don't know about the other jockey? Sam Waley- Cohen?
What happened with him?
Glad that all is well for them both!
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rusty

24th March 2016, 22:39
Hello, Elle!
I shall try my best!
Both Sam and Nina are still suspended, but...
Sam appealed that the Stewards did not interpret their rules correctly.
They discussed this, and agreed with him that both he and Nina should be free to ride in the National, and serve their suspensions on other (correct) dates.
The Stewards agreed that their interpretation was wrong and the suspensions should not have included Grand National day.
So, well done, Sam!
I always thought Porter Wagoner was a female singer, but I am wrong again. He was a he.
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elle

24th March 2016, 22:58
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, I see!
Yes, that sounds fair.
I think if either or both have contravened a rule, then a "punishment" (such as the suspension ) is indeed just - but it is good that it no longer falls on Grand National Day!
It is well that Sam realised the misinterpretation of the rules.
Now you will be able to put a bet on Nina?
So who is Porter Wagoner?
I have never heard of him?
And why did he suddenly some into your head?!
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