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ilippu

4th August 2026, 17:24
Thanks jono and sircrispin.

I found a version with 'Fine' in stead of 'fruit', and I am in the same ball park now.

Not having learnt how to read the subject - (theory of ...), I am not sure I can identify the keys and go beyond.




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prospero

4th August 2026, 17:29
not clear what you're asking, pendragon, but if you mean "first" from the extra letters, then your second word should have 3 letters, as should your third ... spent some time with "in" as the third word until I realised I had to change it to get any sense
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prospero

4th August 2026, 17:33
ilippu, I found muraria's post at 20 very helpful - you don't need to be an expert in the field.
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ilippu

4th August 2026, 17:45
Thanks prospero.

I had read muraria@20 several times before I got the context.

Maybe with the context, it might work.

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pythagtemp

4th August 2026, 20:16
It might be worth mentioning, for those less familiar with the framework, that some interpolation and extrapolation is needed when finding the keys (trying not to give too much away here...)
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ilippu

4th August 2026, 20:25
pythagtemp

Thanks. My understanding from the earlier answers is that these 7 keys do not form a word. Correct?
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jono

4th August 2026, 20:37
Ilippu, yes that’s correct.
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ilippu

4th August 2026, 21:13
Thanks jono.
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pendragon

5th August 2026, 11:46
Thanks, Prospero.

I now have the grid completed, the 15,30,7 phrase, the extra-word instruction, that instruction found and "understood," and all 6,7 words matched with either 15 or 30. I am not sure whether the fact I can write and notate music hinders me, but I have little idea what the devil is going on, except that the whole crossword is a ***** and one considers every **** rows.

But I am again not asking for help, as I am giving up for the second consecutive month in many years (thanks to the correspondents on here). I may tender my resignation from Mensa!
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prospero

5th August 2026, 16:13
don't give up, pendragon - you always get there in the end. I found it very frustrating too but the clue is in the top line. If you have that and, as you say, understand music (which I love but have no ability at) you shouldn't find it difficult to find the 15/30/7
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