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Looks like the extra letters **have to be** 17 (30 minus 7 minus 6). If they don't form 4 words, then I have got them wrong.

Ilippu, yes, those 17 letters form four words and those words tell you where to look in the grid to find the framework. Once found you can then hunt down the 7 cells which conform to the framework and associate them (as ‘keys’ which is a hint) with 15,30,7.

Aah - no, you are right. It is a four word instruction without a verb, You've got it. Look where it tells you - you're so close...

Thanks Jono, for the grid (as always) and for understanding what Ilippu was saying when I didn't

BTW, I entered a specific into the entry form, when a generic term would have done... I wonder what everyone else is doing?

Now you have me worried… I entered the generic but think they may have wanted the specific!

I hope they will have the good grace to accept both, Jono. It's not like we didn't get there :)

I entered the specific 15 30 for which the keys gave me the 7 (luckily for me it was the only 15 30 7 I'd have recognised).

There are a lot of conflicting replies here. If one needs the first O, surely that is in row 4. Then which * after 'and'?

Glyph, the more I think, the better this puzzle becomes. We're all grumpy until we get there, then we pat ourselves on the back, rather than the setter. That was brilliant, thank you.