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rusty

30th November 2019, 20:49
Hello, Elle!
Yes, smoked mackerel, i prefer it that way.
9 Monteverdi was called (Cl)"audio".
I wonder does 10CC have anything to do with Cl?
22, I see "ago" as from that time, and "mi" is an alternate spell of "me" in music.
16, This is my effort!
"A" in clue, "m" is masculine, Home Counties is "SE", boy is "lad", reversed, giving "dalesma", plus "n" for north.
Giving "dalesman", who could be a Yorkshireman.
That's the way I see it.
What definition are you meaning?
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elle

30th November 2019, 21:29
Hi, Rusty!
Ah yes, I see 9a, now that you have very kindly explained it!
I did not know that Monteverdi's first name was "Claudio"!
10cc = 1 centilitre (cl)
I was thrown by the two capital letters for "cc" (cubic centimetres)
Re 22d: I had wondered about "ago" - "from that time"....but couldn't fit in the "mi" part.
I'm still not happy about that? there is no mention of music in the clue?
16d: "dalesman " has to have a 'definition' ..every clue has one...... so what is it ?
It could perhaps be "up north"?
But I took that as the 'indicator' to reverse the various parts that make up "dalesman"?
Like Chris mentioned, I had wondered could the clue be an "&lit"?
What do you think?
( I really must get down to studying my new crossword book!)


Hello, Chris!
I cannot reconcile "mi" with "me" either....
I missed the centilitre, because the capital "C"s confused me!
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chrise

30th November 2019, 21:39
Hi elle
I think it was "10CC" as that was what the band titled themselves, thus giving misdirection. Slightly unfair, I agree.
"me" for the note is just wrong, deriving, as it does, from that appalling song!
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rusty

30th November 2019, 21:44
Hello, Elle!
I did not know Monteverdi's first name, too, but I wondered if it would help with the answer, and I looked it up, and it did!
But, I did not know CL was 10cc. I presumed it was something to do with it, though.
22d, I don't see why music should be mentioned in the clue?
Mi and me are alternates of each other in music.
That should be clue enough?
16d, "up" means reversed, and you need north for "n".
Dalesman is the answer. Do you think there is something missing?
I have checked online and the clue is the same as in the paper.
I have mentioned before to you, Elle, I do not know what "&lit" means.
I just solve the clues in a simple fashion and that is enough for me.
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elle

30th November 2019, 22:11
Hi, Rusty!
Very well thought out there, Rusty...it never occurred to me to think that Monteverdi's first name might be part of the reasoning!
This is why you are so good at these cryptic clues...and I am still struggling!
"Floundering" perhaps one might say!
As far as I can see with 16d.. the definition is missing?
The only explanation I can see is that it must be considered to be an "&lit" clue - where the whole clue serves as both the wordplay and definition.
There definitely must be a "definition" one way or another......
I cannot see any other explanation.....although I am such a novice at this , that I accept that I may easily have it wrong.
Yes, I know that you do not like these convoluted crossword "terms"....but I am trying to learn (and understand ) them from my book!
It is going very cold.....but still dry out.
I do not think we have any plans for tomorrow.... a "take it easy" day.
How about you?
Any plans for the Pine Cone?
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rusty

30th November 2019, 22:40
Hello, Elle!
My last word on dalesman.
I have explained to you where each part of the word "dalesman" comes from in the clue.
It is a simple clue.
Of course you may call the clue and answer whatever you fancy, but I am not going down that road.
It's only a simple puzzle to me.
What I did learn, earlier, when investigating "mi/me" is that they are called "Aretinian syllables", after Guido of Arezzo, an ancient Italian lad.
I'll never remember that!
How are you getting on with your puzzle book?
Is it helpful?
It's minus two here, and hard frost!
No Pine Cone tomorrow.
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elle

1st December 2019, 09:44
A Very Good morning to you, Rusty!
And lovely one it is, too.......pale blue sky, sunshine ...and dry!
Yes, I think my puzzle book will prove to be very informative and helpful.......when I have the time to study it properly!
I have only dipped into it so far, as I have been very tied up with various projects this last week or two......
You did well, finding the book for me! Thank you again.
I have a friend coming around for morning coffee later...but otherwise the day is free!
Do you have any plans?
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rusty

1st December 2019, 10:14
Good morning, Elle!
Great day here, too, but it is a bit on the Baltic side!
It's cold!
Glad to hear you are dipping into your crossword book.
I'm sure it will be helpful.
I have a small plan.
Going to write out a list of things "to do, or, get done" in the next two weeks, with costs!
I shall sit down when writing it!
Earlier, I was exploring the origins of the hymn "I'll Fly Away" and found it very interesting!
Needless to say, I now have an earworm of said hymn!
So, an easy day, and I have the slalom from Vermont to watch around teatime.
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elle

1st December 2019, 10:50
Hi, Rusty!
Nippy here, too!
So are these household tasks/ jobs to be done / that you are listing?
Or outside jobs?
We had to call the plumber about ten days ago.
A radiator in one of the bedrooms was coming away from the wall!
It was actually quite amusing.....when we rang him, he was in Tenerife!
On the beach!
We temporarily shored the rad up with a few bricks at the bottom, to take the weight, until the job could be done!
The plumber came on Thursday!
All fixed now.
I don't know the hymn "I'll Fly Away"?
Why were you looking it up?
What had brought it to mind?
I have an earworm.......Peter, Paul and Mary's "Leaving on a Jet plane".....
My husband mentioned "bags"..... and "All my bags are packed..." immediately came into my mind!
And now I can't stop singing it!
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rusty

1st December 2019, 11:29
Hello, Elle!
My "to do" list is various things.
Roof repair is top of the list.
Buy Christmas cards for the young ones.
One or two vouchers to buy.
Wreaths and flowers.
And if needed, I'll give my son a hand with his house removal, though he has done an awful lot himself, so far.
He has a great attitude.
If something needs doing, he does it, no shilly-shallying.
I first heard "I'll Fly Away" being sung at the Kennedy Center to Johnny Cash, by his daughter, Rosanne, and Emmylou, etc.
It just appealed to me and I thought I'd explore it a bit.
Albert Brumley wrote the song and the idea came to him when he was picking cotton in the cotton fields.
I like it!
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