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jordan

11th March 2025, 19:53
6th word is correct. Its 2nd letter needs adjusting
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iratus

11th March 2025, 19:56
Turn the grid upside down and have another look at the first letter top left.

Yes, re. the 6th word. It becomes an obscure word used by a man from Stratford.
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mack

11th March 2025, 22:20
Got it, Jordan.
Quite right on the string, Iratus.
All done. Thanks both.
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smithsax

12th March 2025, 16:04
Well that was a slog but a very enjoyable one. I almost gave up after sitting for 2 days with 15 cold solved clues but no idea how to enter them in the grid.
The key to unlock this puzzle for me was finding the first set A clue with only one extra letter so I then knew the proportion of across and down in both sets.
Then a lucky guess about symmetry and it was (relatively) straight forward from there.
An excellent puzzle.
I assume that we need to draw a suitable example of the titular entry rather than just repeating an illustrative string of letters.
I hope Nora will consider reinstating DrXXX at some soon. I did not see the offending comments but I know his contributions to this group will be missed.
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0pt0

12th March 2025, 16:15
I am going to have to give this one up. After hours of trying to solve the clues and having only succeeded with ten of them, it is time to call it a day. I am out all day tomorrow and Friday will see the arrival of 4859. I hate having to give up on a Listener puzzle, but the clues are simply too tough for me. I can't help thinking that if Drxx was still posting, he would have given sufficient hints by now to get me (and probably others) going.
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smellyharry

12th March 2025, 18:26
Firstly on the drxx situation, I'm sorry to see him go, even though we had the odd run in on here. I haven't seen the comments but I'm sure Norah was well within her rights given his usual tone. Hopefully he can promise to be less forthright in future and Norah will let him back on.

I very much enjoyed the puzzle. Was tough, but I managed to get one quarter sketched in after solving about 10 clues and it all fell steadily from there.

I sympathise with drxx if he was criticising the relevant wiki entry, which makes little sense to me, and I have a maths background. I think I have the right string to highlight. But I am confused by the second and third strings, neither of which display any translation or rotation or reflection properties that I can see? Unless we leave the tail off the q. In which case it also meets the highlighting requirement?

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norah (admin)

12th March 2025, 18:38
I have been in communication with Drxx and he has decided not to return to the Forum at the moment.

He asked me thank everyone for their support and he will miss being part of the community in the Forum. He also said that the Forum is in very good health and is in very good hands, and he hopes that it will be helping and encouraging solvers for many years to come.
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smithsax

12th March 2025, 18:48
I am not in any way a mathematician so what I am about to say could well be wrong.
I think we have 8 strings of letters. I ignored the one contained in the titular entry and think the other 7 represent the 7 different categories described in Wikipedia.
I think there is an issue in that the strings are not sufficient to precisely describe each category. For instance while I don’t believe that the string of four “o” s is the correct answer it is hard to prove that it does not fulfil the description from the B clues as o is symmetrical in both relevant directions.
To reach the correct answer you need to identify which string best matches each category then you arrive at what I hope is the correct choice.
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dodgepot

12th March 2025, 18:55
Sh, the third “string” is not counted. It’s part of the titular entry, which refers to the set comprising the others, and is not in lower case. The second string, even with a q without a tail, does not qualify. It’s of the fifth type on the Wiki page, and demonstrates the second property followed by the first. You need to consider letters one by one
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smellyharry

12th March 2025, 20:02
I don't see how that can be dodgepot. The fifth group on the wiki page has translation and 180 rotation. As far as I can see the second string doesn't exhibit translation. But without the tail it does rotate but not reflect.

But then I could be misunderstanding the whole thing, as despite a maths degree from Cambridge, I can't make head nor tail of the wiki entry.
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