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malone

1st September 2020, 17:38
Jigjag, thanks.

The two sets of random letters didn't bother me too much - maybe because one involved notes, the other compass points. I don't think Wind is as good an answer, unless it's commonly used for Go.
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jigjag

1st September 2020, 18:02
Malone

Thanks. It seemed odd to have 2 sets of random letters - possibly CBUAU to go back to that!

I use "The river winds..." and , more often, I am going to wind my way down to the pub.

I never use "wend" but it could be that my English is wrong.
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chrise

1st September 2020, 18:06
Hi jigjag
I was going to post the first verse of Gray's Elegy to illustrate "wends", but when I Googled it, I found that he has "winds"!
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chrise

1st September 2020, 18:10
....wind, not winds
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malone

1st September 2020, 18:19
Jigjag, Chris,

Yes, I initially thought 'wind' meant the same as 'wend', so Grunger's win, three points thing made sense. I did a quick check but couldn't find anything to confirm that. I can see the river winding, that sounds as if it's curving, bending etc, and you possibly do the same on your way to (or maybe from?) the pub!
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malone

1st September 2020, 18:21
Jono, I need a letter or two in place to have a chance with your G-Gag clue!
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jono

1st September 2020, 19:48
Hi Malone,
It’s something of an infamous clue often cited as crossing the line into unfair. If you have a piano to hand it might help.
Crossers might be ?a?p? ??r???a?
Definitely not fair imho!
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paulhabershon

1st September 2020, 22:26
jigjag

wend/wind

Although both mean proceeding in an indirect line, I think 'wind' implies the movement of something lengthy such as a river or a herd of cattle strung out (as in Gray's elegy).

However, the clincher in the clue is that E is a compass point and I is not. I don't think 'win' is a close enough definition of three points.

The issue of a random selection of letters occurring twice in the same crossword may well be controversial. I know the Times would not have more than one 'hidden word' clue, for example.
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tyke51

1st September 2020, 23:36
Wend seems to be the best answer - I think the setter was clever in knowing that, to sporting people, a `win` in footyball is a `three pointer` - I smell a red herring!
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orson

2nd September 2020, 12:11
Happy birthday fits and GGAG are the first few notes, though that would be in rather a high key. CCDC would have done just as well.

But why the hyphen between the two Gs? And there are very many tunes that begin with those notes. Sorry, but I'm not impressed.
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