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albie

13th June 2015, 16:28
It's Royal Ascot next week. I'm going to gerund Paddy Power's for a few investments.....be lucky.
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pigale

13th June 2015, 16:31
While you are dealing with your hair, I'll tell you a little story; Many years ago, when I lived in Guernsey, I used to help various people who wanted to brush up their French, amongst whom were advocate/sollicitors, ie well educated people
(I might add that Guernsey law is based on ancient Normandy law and a lot of old deeds etc were written in old French)

Anyway, when I started to explain that in many cases an adjective was placed after the noun it qualifies, and that an adverb was usually placed after the verb it accompanies and/or modifies, I realized that these well educated and well spoken people did not have the faintest idea of what I was talking about ! As for the tenses of verbs, that was even worse.

So in order to explain the difference between the two languages, I had to start by explaining the ABC of grammar - in any language.

What do you make of that?

I'll let you dry your hair in peace now!
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chrise

13th June 2015, 16:34
I've experienced much the same from the other direction, pigale. When you learn a language as a child, you don't need to know what all the parts are called. I've learned far more about how English works from trying to learn Italian!
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pigale

13th June 2015, 16:42
That is quite interesting Chrise and confirms what I have often thought - the British people can afford to know very little about grammar, and still speak correctly, while with French (and other languages) you cannot go far without a fair knowledge of grammar - that is if you want to speak correctly, let alone spell.

Italian has always sounded lovely to my ears, unfortunately I do not speak it.
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pigale

13th June 2015, 16:43
Hey Rusty, sorry for being a bore!
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chrise

13th June 2015, 16:45
Agreement etc. in French and Italian makes it all much more complicated.

On the other hand, spelling is much easier than in English!
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chrise

13th June 2015, 16:48
............however, I've seen a lot of discussion in various places bemoaning the frequent confusion between "well" and "good" - grammar would help there!
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pigale

13th June 2015, 16:52
Yes, in a way, such as with this rule of 'i' before 'e' except ...etc
But there again there are exceptions in every language.

~What I like about English is that you do not encumber yourself with unnecessary words; just think we need 10 or 11 words just to say something equivalent to 'yours faithfully' or yours sincerely' - and we are no more polite than you are!
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chrise

13th June 2015, 16:55
Spelling from hearing can be a nightmare. There's the old example (G B Shaw, I think) of

GHOTI









pronounced "fish" - gh as in "rough", o as in "women", ti as in "attention".
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pigale

13th June 2015, 17:02
???? Sorry, don't get that one !
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