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rusty

1st June 2015, 23:32
I have just posted it on Greedy Kite's thread, Elle, as I was not sure if he would visit the Chatty thread.
He seems very sensible.
Let me know what you think?
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elle

1st June 2015, 23:42
Yes, it sounds a very good idea, Rusty.
I didn't know that one could do that. I've just signed up for their emails as you suggested! (But I'm paranoid about Chambers now...they'll probably still ignore me!)
I'm shattered - think it's a backlash from the traumatic w/e! ( Heaven preserve me from under -fives car drivers!)
Going to bed...talk tomorrow. 'Night!
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elle

2nd June 2015, 15:25
Rusty, regarding "The Thin Yellow Line.........
It's rather a strange book, isn't it, in that it's obviously been very well researched - there are historical references on every page - but it isn't an easy read as it's somewhat disjointed and doesn't flow.
(Mind you, with the subject matter being as it is and so many isolated incidents, I guess this isn't surprising but rather inevitable)
With such arbitrary commands for executions - hangings , shootings ( sometimes almost at the drop of a hat; sometimes well- disciplined and timed) - I am getting a sense of unreality....an "Alice in Wonderland " feeling....
..........you know, with the Queen of Hearts " saying "Off with Their Heads!" throughout the book.
I have a strong feeling of anger.........and injustice........
And I've a long way to go yet.........
What emotion did you mainly feel on reading it? I'm struggling with a sense of incredulity?
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rusty

2nd June 2015, 16:14
Well, I am incredulous that you did not know it went on!
I share your feelings of anger and injustice.
But, as I said, the past is a different country.
What was acceptable then, would never be that way now.
They were shot not for their crimes, but "to encourage the others". As a deterrent. And history teaches us that that capital punishment, whether military or civilian, was no deterrent whatsoever. I can even think of two executioners who were executed themselves!
Maybe you should just pass it on to someone else, Elle.
No point letting a book distress you?
Not been a great week for you, so far!
You will find 1914 a lot better, and no courts martial in it!
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elle

2nd June 2015, 18:27
Yes, Rusty, I knew that it went on but not to such a huge extent!
In my innocence / ignorance, I thought it to be on a much smaller scale, and for it to be as hard for the people calling the shots (so to speak)as for the victims who are being court-martialled.
But a lot of it was so kind of hail-fellow-well-met, so casual, so arbitrary, I cannot see any sane pattern or justification at all.
Yes, I guess one could see the logic for some kind of deterrent, but not this!
I wanted to read the book to find out what really went on, I was looking for explanations, but (so far anyway) there aren't any. It's horrendous and inexplicable. And not consistent!
This last is perhaps the worst of all? - the inconsistency?
Am I making any kind of sense?
But I think I have to finish reading the book......as a kind of tribute?
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rusty

2nd June 2015, 21:33
I do not think you should finish it.
It is disturbing you. Throw it away.
Keep in mind this was one hundred years ago.
People thought very differently then.
Women did not even have a vote, then.
The people at home were not told of the executions.
The relatives of the shot men were not told.
It was a different world to what we know.
What happened was awful.
To their credit, Australia refused to allow any of their soldiers to suffer execution.
I do not think you should read any more.
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aristophanes

2nd June 2015, 21:43
rusty: Perhaps you should ditch the Ted Kennedy book too. He was my senator here in Massachusetts for far too many years. What a degenerate sleazebag.
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rusty

2nd June 2015, 22:07
I totally agree, Aristo.
An appalling man. It's the Kennedy women I feel sorry for.
Mind, I knew that before I got the book!
"Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Cover-Up"
A good read, though!
Came from a Houston bookseller.
1 penny + £2.80 p&p.
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aristophanes

2nd June 2015, 22:36
A Kennedy-worshipping friend of mine once went to a fundraiser Teddy was hosting for his son Patrick at Hammersmith Farm in Newport (Jackie's family home) and bragged about everyone he'd rubbed elbows with. I asked him (in my driest tone), "Were the Kopechnes there?" Some time afterward Patrick rented a boat for a party on Narragansett Bay and returned it with over $100,000 worth of damage. The owner was interviewed on the local news and said he wasn't going to do anything about it because it was such an honor to rent to a Kennedy. Can you imagine having so malfunctioning a brain?
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rusty

2nd June 2015, 22:53
Aristo, I am not in the slightest surprised.
The male Kennedys were treated like gods.
And yet, to me, Jack and Teddy were despicable creatures. Have not read up on Bobby yet!
There is a quote on the back cover of my book by George Killen, a former State Police Detective-Lieutenant, "Senator Kennedy killed that girl (Mary Jo), the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger."
All the action in the book up to now is all his aides, lawyers, etc trying to cover up for him.
Mary Jo was not considered. Dreadful!
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