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elle

5th November 2019, 17:32
Hi, Rusty!
Hi, Rusty!
I expect you enjoyed the chat with your neighbour, even if it resulted in a shorter walk!
I, too, popped out for a short while with the dog, but I made sure we were safely home before the likelihood of any fireworks being let off......
There are a lot of bangs..... and phut-phutting noises...... going on now!
I am not sure that I agree with you about "apocope"?
According to Chambers, the word means "the cutting off of the last sound or syllable".......
I would consider zoo, photo, typo, and similar to be "abbreviations"?
Perhaps "runnin / jumpin" might be "apocopes"?
Certainly the last sound (the hard "g") is missing there.
But I really do not understand the term?
And when I looked for an example, I found "cuppa tea" offered, as Chris has said.
Now, that doesn't make sense to me either, as what sound or syllable is missing there?
Rather, it would seem that "a" was substituted for "of" in that instance?
This is beyond my comprehension?
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elle

5th November 2019, 17:35
Sorry for the double salutation, Rusty!
I'd typed it in... and then it "disappeared"......but two addresses were there after I'd posted!
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chrise

5th November 2019, 17:43
The F of "of" (implied) is missing, elle.

Much commoner is missing the hard consonant off the end of words (which really irritates me!). "Doan" rather than "don't" for instance.
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rusty

5th November 2019, 18:19
Hello, Elle!
Yes, I had a good chat with my neighbour.
He had a new hip recently and is doing away fine with it.
I hear fireworks already! Awful things!
Now, this "apocope" shenanigans!
Collins has missing final "sounds" plural.
But, Elle, you know English and grammar etc, much better than I do, so your views on zoo etc are probably correct.
"Cuppa" does not make sense to me, too, but I confess to getting beyond my depth here!
Another example I saw was "barbie" for "barbecue", and that does not look right, to me!
And there is a word for the first part of the word being missing, but I have forgotten what it was....thankfully!
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elle

5th November 2019, 19:13
Good evening, Rusty!
I think we should put "apocope" behind us, as an unpleasant experience!
I do not understand it......but then neither do I think I use it?
So.... I shall just ignore it!!
The fireworks are very loud....the dog is most upset......
I shall put "Eggheads " on for her in a minute...we can listen to it a bit louder than usual to drown out the bangs!
Let us hope that the firework "letters -off" retire early!
Have you heard from your son today?



Chris , so why isn't it "cup o' tea" then?
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chrise

5th November 2019, 19:25
Hi elle
I think "doan" is probably a better example.
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rusty

5th November 2019, 19:58
Good evening, Elle!
I agree, leave the bafflin' apocopes in the past!
I think you may well use them but do not realise it.
I am pretty sure I do.
I hear from my son in the morning mostly.
Heard from La Bamba too.
She wants to go to Pine Cone tomorrow, so that is something to look forward to.
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chrise

5th November 2019, 20:14
Nice example, rusty!
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elle

5th November 2019, 20:18
Hello, Chris!
I don't understand "doan"?
What does it mean? and how has it been derived?
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chrise

5th November 2019, 20:20
"Doan" rather than "Don't", (as I said earlier!)
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