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malone

12th December 2018, 15:14
Jigjag, Rusty, Elle et all. I've enjoyed the discussion, controversy, about towns and cities - or towns being cities! As a well-trained, obedient crossword solver, I've come to accept dictionary definitions. As Rusty said, many dictionaries have 'city = town'. These entries must reflect usage over a period of time - the dictionary compilers don't just decide themselves. We might not like the usage, we might not like the clue - but that doesn't affect the validity of the latter!
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malone

12th December 2018, 15:16
Sorry, I should have said 'many dictionaries have "city = large town" '.
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rusty

12th December 2018, 15:17
Good afternoon, Elle!
Fingers crossed for your "o'er the water" cards arriving on time!
My recent offer was from BT.
I have an emailed offer from them.
I am going to reply saying I have found other cheaper deals, tell them what they are, and see if they respond.
It's a good puzzle today.
Can't see anything very controversial!!
I am fond of sprouts!
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elle

12th December 2018, 15:24
Malone, I think you are missing the point of the "Bolton" controversy.
It is not so much whether a large is a city, or vice -versa. but the fact that Bolton itself was refused application to become a city!
Hence invalidating the clue!
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rusty

12th December 2018, 15:24
Hello, Malone!
A good post from you, as ever!
Elle has emailed The Times about Bolton/city.
I am looking forward to hearing what the crossword editor has to say about it!
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elle

12th December 2018, 15:25
Sorry for typo...missed out a word - it should have read "large town"!
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malone

12th December 2018, 15:29
Elle, I don't think for one minute that I missing the point! I think many, many solvers would not know about Bolton's application to become a city. The denial of the application doesn't alter the facts. Is Bolton a large town? if so, it fits the definition given in many, well-respected dictionaries. Surely that is all that is needed for fair clues?
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elle

12th December 2018, 15:37
In a word...no!
Of course it alters the facts!
Bolton was specifically refused to be allowed to become a city!
Therefore the clue isn't viable.

But I think we should leave this alone now.
Otherwise we seem to be in danger of WWIII breaking out!
And Norah will be on our tails!
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malone

12th December 2018, 15:39
Elle, we'll have to agree to disagree - unless, of course, Bolton has stopped being a 'large town'?!
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elle

12th December 2018, 16:11
Hi, Rusty!
I am sure that you will be able to sweet talk BT into offering you a far more competitive deal!
Is it that basically you prefer to deal with BT rather than any other provider?
My cards are now posted!
A brisk walk to the post box to release tension!
The collection is at 5.30 so they will be well on their way soon.
I have sent the latest competitive cost of sprouts to Ros, as she is experiencing difficulty in buying inexpensive ones.
That last lot from Aldi are in our sprout soup - delicious!



Hello, Ros!
Yes!
Husband: "Er.....what are you doing?"
Me: "Counting sprouts"......
Husband: "Why?"
I'm not sure which of us he thinks is the crazier ...me ..or you!
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