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rusty

21st November 2016, 16:27
Hello, Elle!
The machine they used on me last year showed up to 4 lights at a time.
This new one does not.
One light, and it is over quickly.
They say it is much better.
They get less "false positives" etc
Last chance at 24!
Female that withholds name is "woma(n)"
Judge is often "j".
John Wayne starred in the first film.
First word in the film is "Sands"
Now, that is a lot of help!!!
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rusty

21st November 2016, 16:29
And it is in your Bradford's !!!
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elle

21st November 2016, 16:47
Hi, Rusty!
Yes, and I certainly needed a lot of help!
"Sands of IWO JIMA" !!
I would have been here till the cows come home trying to solve that!
Thank you!
Now, how do I find it in Bradfords?
I have looked under the list of "Battles" - but it is not there?
And ....er........"till the cows come home"..... where does that come from?
It is obvious what it means , but do you know its origin?
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pigale

21st November 2016, 17:01
HI there!

I was hoping that my newly purchased books would come to some use sooner or later -

'Till the cows come home', meaning 'for an indefinitely long time' dates from at least the 16th century. 'I warrant you you lay a'bed till the cows come home' wrote Jonathan Swift in 1738.

Mind you it does not really say for sure that Swift was the creator of the phrase or whether it was already a common expression in his days.
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pigale

21st November 2016, 17:07
or from another source:

''Relatively modern amplifications of this one include 'till the cows come home in the morning' and 'till bell freezes over and the cows come skating home over the ice'

The original expression has meant 'a long long time' for a long long time, since about 1600, and the idea behind it is that cows take their own good time about coming home if they aren't driven - often until the next morning, when, with udders painfully swollen, they come home to be milked.''
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rusty

21st November 2016, 17:09
Well done, Elle!
God, you are hard work today!
Well now, in my Bradfords it is listed under "Battles".
Sub-section "7 letters".
Between "Glencoe" and "Jericho". Iwo Jima!
I will leave the cows to get on with it, for my tea is ready.
I shall return!
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elle

21st November 2016, 17:11
Hello, Pigale!
I love the idea of the cows skittering home over the ice!
You have really brightened my afternoon!
I think your new books are a very good buy!
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elle

21st November 2016, 18:04
Hi, Rusty!
I hope you enjoyed your tea?
What did you have ?
We have just had sausage casserole with fried onions and tomatoes, red cabbage and boiled potatoes.
Delicious!
Now.... Iwo Jima is definitely NOT in my Bradford's list of battles!
There is nothing between "Glencoe" and "Jericho"!
Honestly!
I kid you not!
I have looked very carefully!
My Bradford's is the seventh edition?
But at least I have , with your help, "solved" the clue!
Eggheads is just starting......
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rusty

21st November 2016, 18:53
Good evening, Elle!
I had the remnants of my casserole and a slab of Madeira for my tea and it was fine on this cold evening.
My Bradford's is the 8th edition.
Yes, you did well today!
The Times is a good crossword, so you should be pleased with you.
Had you not heard of Iwo Jima?
There is a famous and controversial picture of the US Marines raising the Stars and Stripes on Mount Suribachi, after they fought their way ashore on the Japanese island of Iwo Jima. The battle was still going on when they raised the flag.
Not all the marines who raised the flag survived the battle.
After the war there was controversy over who raised the flag and which flag was raised!
It appears to be accepted now that the Stars and Stripes came from the USS Missoula.
There is lots on Google about it, and the mis-identification of one of the Marines.
Very interesting!

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elle

21st November 2016, 19:34
Hi, Rusty!
Yes, I had heard of Iwo Jima, but only dimly.
And I certainly didn't get the crossword clue.
(Although I can see the parsing now that you have explained it)
The fight for the island was because of its strategic position , that I do know.....
And I have read of the flag -raising photograph by Joe Rosenthal that won the Pulitzer prize.
But I didn't even know until today that there were in fact two actual flag raisings!
Nor did I know of the confusion as to the identity of the Marines pictured.
I am afraid my knowledge of the issue was / is very scanty.
You do know such a lot!
I am puzzled by the repeats of Eggheads that are often shown......
I have watched Eggheads religiously for yonks, and never (well, rarely) miss an episode!
Yet never once have I ever seen a supposed "repeat" before!
How can that be?
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