Thnk you Ixion and thanks you Phillip.
There was a glaring error in the SAGA crossie and both Saga and the Setter apologised.
This current clue either contains an error or is VERY badly constructed.
I'd love to have Tony's comments but he seems to be absent for a wee while. I really hope he is OK.
Thanks again averybody. Methinks this has been flogged to death. I'm off out now.