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orson

29th July 2021, 13:28
I prefer "eggs is eggs", even though it's ungrammatical, as it introduces a down-to-earth and slightly humorous tone into what may be an earnest conversation or piece of writing. It seems it first appeared in print in Tom Brown's Schooldays (1857).

I'm not convinced by the "x is x" origin. Eggs are used in a number of stock phrases and proverbs so it would be natural to coin another one. The use of "is" is dialectal so I think the phrase was begun by people of little or no education, certainly not people who rubbed shoulders with logicians.
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malone

29th July 2021, 13:44
Thanks, Orson. My personal view of 'Eggs is eggs' was definitely a more mundane version - I saw it coming from a rosy-cheeked American grandma!
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grunger

30th July 2021, 11:48
Thanks Orson, interesting analysis. Nice that you appeared in the Times puzzle yesterday.
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mathprofrockstar

4th August 2021, 03:28
In today’s Guardian cryptic, “allegedly “ is allegedly a homophone indicator.
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jono

4th August 2021, 06:48
MathProf, Chambers gives allege as “to cite or quote in discussion”, so I think it’s ok. I was slightly more disappointed with that clue being yet another schoolboy “Trump” gag. Impressed if you knew the 1970s BBC children’s tv presenter, did Animal Magic show in the US?
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mathprofrockstar

4th August 2021, 06:55
Did not know that one. Didn’t know 13 either. I was familiar with 27 though.
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grunger

4th August 2021, 22:58
Malone

As sure as eggs is eggs, they appeared in the Times today, I see.
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malone

5th August 2021, 08:56
Thanks, Grunger, I missed that! The paper's away in the recycling, so I can't have a look now. I'll make a start on today's puzzle.


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grunger

5th August 2021, 22:36
Malone

I am sure you solved it quickly. I missed Bailiwick, not thinking of Wick.

Watched a lot of Olympics, loved "she's got great boatship". I never knew the difference between a ship and a boat. I should cocoa! if I knew what it meant.
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orson

6th August 2021, 09:54
That's an interesting one, grunger. There's no such word as boatship but there is boatmanship. Collins gives boatsmanship as an American word (by analogy with craftsmanship, I suppose) but the OED does not.

No boatwomanship or boatladyship though. Sorry.
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