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tyke51

14th February 2020, 20:06
Grunger

Thanks for your comments - I think Lisa gets my vote.

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hannah

14th February 2020, 23:33
In Australia the media almost invariably use the word 'gumption' as a synonym for courage . .

Is this the case in the United(?) Kingdom?
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tyke51

15th February 2020, 13:12
Hannah

I think `gumption` in the UK is more to do with `determination` or the `will to succeed`... I don`t think the `Apathy Party` do `gumption`
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hannah

16th February 2020, 00:51
My understanding is that 'gumption' = 'common sense'

That of course would not stop those you mention from not doing it
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hannah

16th February 2020, 10:59
And, from this morning's TV . .

"He had a single tear running down both cheeks . .
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grunger

16th February 2020, 15:01
hannah, tyke

I think of gumption = nous, used in the North of England, dont know about the South.

Hannah

Nice to see you posting again on this thread
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orson

18th February 2020, 11:56
A few random observations I made this morning.

I remember the shellac 78 records but I hadn't come across "to shellac somebody" until today. Apparently it's American slang meaning to defeat someone. Do we really need to import that usage?

Then on Radio 3 today I heard about the Moog synthesizer with Moog sounding like a cow. It's a common error but it should rhyme with vogue.

Finally Hilaire Belloc. I remember attending a school assembly about this woman. Only trouble is, as I'm sure you all know, she was a he. A venal sin, though, is to drop the H from his first name, but it is pronounced and he always did so himself. On Radio 3 it was dropped the first time and sounded the second, so all is forgiven.

Have a nice day, all of you, and don't get too wet!
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tonta

18th February 2020, 17:28

Might I be allowed to offer my observation on the old chestnut that is the position of the apostrophe?
It seems to me that many of the errors arise from schoolchildren being told that there are 2 options: apostrophe S, and S apostrophe.
Surely there is only the former - ‘S to denote ownership. However, if the word (to which ownership is to be ascribed) already ends in an S, (as happens with feminine forms, most plurals, a few proper names etc) it looks odd with S’S, and is harder to pronounce, so the S (of ‘S) is dispensed with.
It really doesn’t make the notation S’. Eg the ladies’ bags was never “ ladie” with S’, but ladies with ‘s, and then with the second S removed to avoid S’S.
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orson

18th February 2020, 17:57
I agree with you, tonta, although if I say James' book, it sometimes doesn't seem enough and so I am likely to say James's book. It is an old chestnut, as you say, and unlikely ever to go away until the apostrophe is abolished!
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tyke51

18th February 2020, 19:23
Orson

I`ve heard `a shellacking` being used to mean a good drubbing, but not so much nowadays

Tonta & Orson

St James` Park (Newcastle) always seems to be pronounced St James`s, which is how the London one is written - no wonder there is confusion!
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