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notrab

11th September 2016, 12:30
Thanks Unclued. That lets me complete my six words and thus gives me the description of the space and the indication of the comedy duo.
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wintonian

11th September 2016, 14:06
I've completed the puzzle including the endgame, but I'm worried that I've misidentified one of the three extra words that lead to the top row. In 3d, I have "are" as a word that has to move to the left to after "ten". This gives ENTREA after "lowering heads" and adding T ("no longer to") gives ENTREAT. This has already been noted in previous replies.

However, I also have one of the three extra words in this clue, and my reading of the preamble suggests that the three extra words should be in "another three clues", not in the ten clues where a word has to be moved. This is certainly the case for the other two extra words, but I can't see an extra word in any of the other clues that don't have a moving word. On the other hand, the last word of 3d can be deleted without damaging the clue and is a synonym for the last of the three words forming the top row.

Am I misinterpreting the preamble, or am I missing something obvious?
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rrrobbo

11th September 2016, 14:58
I was just trying to solve 14d and noticed Bradfords listed the word border for March. Any good to you winstonian?
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meursault

11th September 2016, 15:02
Wintonian, I haven't resolved the thematic lines yet, though I think you must be right about the anomaly at 3D. 'Border' doesn't work in the clue and should be removed (synonym of Edge), and the first half of the clue doesn't work unless you have 'Ten' and 'are' together. So once again there is ambiguity in the preamble. If you strictly interpret the first clause (each clue is 2 clues) then the puzzle just about avoids contradicting itself. As to which of 'Ten' or 'are' move, I'm inclined to guess 'are', giving F AND S for the first letters from RHS (?Flanders and Swann? - but didn't we just recently have another puzzle featuring Westminster School ?)
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tandethsquire

11th September 2016, 15:26
I agree with meursault's interpretation of the preamble: there seems to be another 'anomaly' in 18ac that's fine as long as you interpret the clues as actually being two clues. If I'm not wrong, I've got 'A DOOR' from the across extra letters (which at least looks reasonable).
Long grid stare, now. No idea of the thematic line(s).
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rrrobbo

11th September 2016, 15:58
That being the case, would it be true to say that a moving word only moves within one of the two clues and never between the two clues in each number? If that is also true, then I guess it makes sense. And my March spot was pure nonsense of course
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wintonian

11th September 2016, 16:15
Well, I managed to both misread the preamble and miss something obvious (at least once it had been pointed out!). "Each clue is really two clues side by side", and I've checked that, in all of the double clues where a word has to be moved, the moved word stays inside the wording of one of the clues rather than crossing over into the other clue. Thanks to everyone for clarifying this.
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xij

11th September 2016, 19:04
All done. Fairly easy solve after last week. There is no anomaly in 3d because the word to delete is in 3b and the word to move in 3a, so, two different clues. The only thing that held me up was the third word to remove, thinking it had to be somewhere between 16a and 3d (4,3,4). Somewhat of a 'misalliance' I think.
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unclued

11th September 2016, 19:12
Just found the cells to draw the line. Try doing a zig zag bottom to top on either side of the grid.
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orson

11th September 2016, 19:40
I've finished and I was pleased to be reminded of a charming song I haven't heard for a long time, even though I have the CD. But I don't understand why the thematic lines are "notional" and in what way they are interrupted by the starred cells.
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