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Hello, Elle!
I would leave "apple carts" well alone, if I was you!
I found a video on YouTube about it.
I think it lasts 6 minutes, but I gave up after a minute.
This lad reckoned the "apple" represents "sin" in the Garden of Eden and the "cart" bit represents the human body.
I think the origin must be more down to earth than that and abandoned the lad and his theory.
I avoid these religious maniacs if at all possible!
I must remember to delete it from my "history"!
I would have thought it was more to do with a farmer taking his apples to market?
That's good you found a cousin!
The golf is finished for today.
I enjoyed it, and the lovely coastal scenery around Portstewart.
Last day tomorrow!

Good evening, Pigale!
A good stage winner! A win for France!
The rider is new to me, too.
He held on well towards the end when his energy was almost gone.
Thomas Voeckler is an enigma.
I saw him a day or two ago at the back of the peloton.
He is a favourite of mine and I like to see him attacking.
I have an idea that I heard a commentator say that this is his last Tour?
Maybe feels his legs are too old now?
I am sure he will have a go somewhere during the Tour.
I hope so!

In markets apples were traditionally stacked in neat piles to stop them rolling away. If you take one from the heap, you upset the whole lot. Apples everywhere. So a small change might have big repercussions. It apparently also has a meaning from wrestllng.

If you change one basic assumption about life, the universe and everything, the whole way we look at things may change.

Hi, Rusty!
Brewers has a much more innocuous explanation of "To upset the apple cart"!
It says - and I quote .........
"To spoil carefully made plans or arrangements.
The imagery is of the overturning of a farmer's laboriously loaded cartful of apples.
The phrase is recorded in use as early as 1788.
Shaw's play "The Apple Cart" (1930) turns on the phrase."
So there we are!
It is a phrase we can safely use, after all!
I have been having fun!
First, I watched Novak win his match......then I watched my recorded Lausanne DL ......I saw Laura again!
And Van Niekerk broke Michael Johnson's 200m record.
And now Roger is playing..........
I am even having to record "The Voice Kids" which has just started........
Priorities - right?


Hello, Pigale!
My dog shares your concerns about thunderstorms!
She is absolutely terrified - and insists on sleeping with us should one occur during the night!
The cat remains impervious!

Rosalind, your explanation makes good sense.
Not heard of the wrestling connection though.

Hello, Pigale!
Just read a report on Lilian Calmejane.
When he was a boy growing up, Thomas Voeckler was his great hero!
Now they are both in the same team.
I hope to see one of Voeckler's famed breakaway attempts before he finishes!

Hello, Elle,
Yes, your "apples" makes good sense, too.
I thought that lad I met on YouTube was bonkers!
It is warmer here this evening.

Hello Rusty,

A belated reply to your post!
So how old is Voeckler then? I read that Lilian was born in 1992.

He was good to hang on until the end - did you see he was
stretching his leg? he was suffering from cramp, then he picked
up speed again.

I too read that this is supposed to be Thomas' last Tour this year.
So yes, it would be great to see him on one of his famous breakaways,
together with some funny facial expressions!

Hi rusty

I think the wrestling connecton had as much validity as the religious one!

Do you remember Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy?

Hello, Pigale,
Voeckler is 38, born in Alsace, in1979.
Yes, the cramp is an awful pain.
Lilian could have fallen off!
But he rode well.
More mountains tomorrow, including Grand Colombier and Mont du Chat.
Will Fabio Aru attack?
He is climbing much better since he had a nose operation which improved his breathing.
Yes, be great to see Voeckler going away on his own, and as you say, with all his facial expressions!
The Tour would not be the same without Thomas Voeckler!