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elle

8th July 2017, 15:50
Hi, Rusty!
I like toasties too! especially cheesy ones!
I had a look in Brewers, but Ros was, of course, spot on with her info about "paying through the nose!!
I could find noting new to add to that!
Nor anything about "paying on the barrel"......in either Chambers or Brewers.
But I did uncover this by googling......
"Cash on the barrelhead" - very similar indeed to what you were thinking of - is a term surmised by lexicographer Charles Earle Funk to have originated in the days when upended barrels served as both seats and tables in bars, and customers were required to pay for their drinks immediately, literally putting their money on the top (head) of a barrel.
How about that? Your "inkling" was correct!
I am now going to do some tennis viewing......then later I shall watch the Lausanne DL Highlights.
What are you up to?
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 16:14
Investigating cut noses further, I found that "cutting off your nose to spite your face" (yuk!) may have originated from nuns cutting off their noses to prevent their being raped when barbarians as it were, were at the gate. So they got locked in the church and set on fire. But they did die virgins, as they'd wanted.
Ye gods!
How could anyone cut off their own nose?
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rusty

8th July 2017, 16:15
Hello, Elle!
Yes, that's it!
I thought it may have originated at slave auctions.
As "sold down the river" did.
Some great phrases we use every day without thinking where they came from.
"Upset the apple cart"?
I have never seen an apple cart, but they must exist somewhere, I fancy.
Just finished the TDF.
A worthy French winner today.
A lad I do not know.
More mountains tomorrow.
I have the golf on now.
Great weather at Portstewart!
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 16:18
rusty- some of my ancestors must have messed with Vikings, I'm supposed to be about 20% Scandinavian!
"Danegeld" is chiming in my brain, sort of protection money?
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rusty

8th July 2017, 16:40
Hello, Rosalind!
Yes, I have heard of Danegeld.
Danelaw was a part of England held by the Danes many centuries ago.
Could be where your Viking blood came from?
Many dark haired folk on the West Coast of Ireland are said to be descendants of shipwrecked Spanish sailors from the Armada.
Every single one of us will have "foreign" blood in us.
There are folk in Europe with some Neandertal DNA, even!
So, have the Neandertals actually died out, or not?
It's a wonderful world!
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 16:45
It is a wonderful world, rusty.

When I did my late husband's family tree, I came across some Ferdinandos! I don't think I got as far back as the Spansh Armada but not too long afterwards, and the family lived on the South Cornish coast. I reckon one sailor didn't want to go home, or maybe was washed up and couldn't. Whatever, there were Ferdinando Hoskings around for quite a while.
Other members of the family were called Zenobia, Philadelphia and Admonition (a boy). Silly names aren't a new thing!
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rusty

8th July 2017, 17:07
Rosalind, Admonition is a silly name, yes?
The others you could get away with, nearly!
Scotland had many visits from the Vikings, not always friendly ones.
There are eight Norwegian kings buried on Iona.
Four Irish kings buried there.
People got about even many centuries ago.
So it it would be a miracle if we had no foreign blood in us.
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 17:37
re foreign blood, indeed, and we all do. My ancestors lived on the NE coast of England so I was expecting to have Scandinavian ancestors. I'm apparently also 18% Irish, so there! Not found any yet, though.

I think Admnition is a somewhat cruel name. Wonder what they called him? Addy? He grew up to get married as I recall, otherwise I don't think I'd have known what sex he was.
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elle

8th July 2017, 17:43
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, now I shall investigate potential "apple carts" later ......!
I have been washing my hair and now I am going back to see Novak finish off his match!
Yes, it is very interesting thinking about out our forebears, but I have found it far more rewarding investigating possible present "alive" connections!
Did I ever tell you that a 'third' cousin - of whom I had never heard - got in touch with me?
Well, actually, first of all her husband did , on her behalf!
When we looked into it all, her great-grandmother, Elizabeth, is my great-great-aunt (sister of Abraham, my great-grandfather).
We are now in regular touch.....although we have not met as yet!
She is now on my "family tree"!
How is your golf progressing?
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pigale

8th July 2017, 18:12
Hello Elle and Rusty,

A good win by Lilian Calmejade - good to win a stage on your
first Tour de France!
I had not heard his name before but it seems that he has won a
stage in last year's Vuelta, his first ever grand tour.

But once more, where is Voekler?

Another very hot day today, and rather close - thunders due
all around us, but nothing yet I am pleased to say........ I am
frightened of them!
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