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peg y don

18th February 2015, 16:09
5d (4) is it till? Beginning to feel unwell - it could be stones -i-l

Is 8d apartment house?

A role those men played involved in posh flats

also 23 down is it teak?

Char surface of knotted wood

t-a-
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chrise

18th February 2015, 16:14
8 it depends which the "beginning" refers to - TILL if it's TO; FILL if it's FEEL. Neither definition is very good - difficult to choose.
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kilgore trout

18th February 2015, 16:14
F + ILL

A part + U (posh) in THOSE MEN anagrammed

char = tea + K(notted) --> teak
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kilgore trout

18th February 2015, 16:16
hard to see how stones = till, whereas fill = "A built-up piece of land; an embankment or, the material, such as earth or gravel, used for this."
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chrise

18th February 2015, 16:16
8 I think so - A PART (role) then THOSE MEN and U (posh) anagram

23 "Char" is "tea" as in "charlady", then surface of Knotted? I thought it was "cha", though.
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kilgore trout

18th February 2015, 16:17
Ah - till = "Glacial drift composed of an unconsolidated, heterogeneous mixture of clay, sand, pebbles, cobbles, and boulders".

But, "fill" serves no use unless it is part of the wordplay.

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kilgore trout

18th February 2015, 16:18
sorry, "feel" has no use unless it provides the F.
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kilgore trout

18th February 2015, 16:19
Also, fill "could be" stones whereas till is always stones.

OK, time for a lie down.
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peg y don

18th February 2015, 16:20
Fill it is and teak, I like the explanations although im not sure about this setter.

Thanks folks
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lmj

18th February 2015, 16:37
5 down I put Cill, = foundation ? = beginning.

Lin
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