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How is it, that the ones I find easy everyone needs help on and the last one on which I'm stuck nobody has any problems with? Aah the eternal questions..! can anyone help with 13D? "Betray the radicals in the rank and file."

How many letters? Any placed?

Oh yes, I forgot that bit. 5,5. -r-s-/r-o-s

Grass roots

Grass roots.

Doh! Thanks so much each. Perhaps I should try doing the damn thing earlier on Sundays rather than 1 & 2am and then getting up to finish it at 5.30. But then I had my grand daughters teaching two old songs - Yellow Submarine and an Octopus's Garden. My cred came back when I got out my red album.

Your red album?

Round, red, vinyl and a hole in the middle, with an old group called the Beatles on the front.

Hope you also have the "white album"

Fascinating.