thankyou jazzgirl. Not quite how i got there, like your thinking. a little stuck with these two clues however. Way to break law-make whispering sound(6)R_ _ _ _ E. I have no idea. Also, This place's unknown dissidence? (6) _E_N_Y. Many thanks jazz. Is Trevor still around? Have not heard from him in ages! If he is, please tell him I'm not getting any better.