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turast

24th December 2010, 00:30
Flaming, also known as bashing, is hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users. Flaming usually occurs in the social context of an Internet forum, It is frequently the result of the discussion of heated real-world issues such as politics, sports, religion, and philosophy, or of issues that polarise subpopulations, but can also be provoked by seemingly trivial differences.
Deliberate flaming is carried out by individuals known as flamers, who are specifically motivated to incite flaming. These users specialize in flaming and target specific aspects of a controversial conversation, and are usually more subtle than their counterparts. Their counterparts are known as trolls who are less "professional" and write obvious and blunt remarks to incite a flame war, as opposed to the more subtle, yet precise flamers.
Flamebait is a message posted to a forum with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame") or argument over a topic the poster often has no real interest in. While flaming can occur as a result of legitimate debates or grievances, flamebait implies the intentional posting of inflammatory rhetoric or images.
As stated, flaming can stem from a variety of issues, including misunderstandings, frustration, and perceptions of unfairness. Of course, one of the most popular motives (from trolls especially) is the desire for attention and for entertainment derived at the expense of others. Posted flamebait can provide the poster with a controlled trigger-and-response setting in which to anonymously engage in conflicts and indulge in aggressive behavior without facing the consequences that such behavior might bring in a face-to-face encounter. In other instances, flamebait may be used to reduce a forum's use by angering the forum users.
A flame war results when one or more users engages in provocative responses to the originally posted flamebait. Flame wars often draw in many users (including those trying to diffuse the flame war) and can overshadow regular forum discussion if left unchecked.
Resolving a flame war can be difficult, as it is often hard to determine who is really responsible for the degradation of a reasonable discussion into flame war. Someone who posts a contrary opinion in a strongly focused discussion forum may be easily labeled a "baiter," "flamer," or "troll." Therefore, it seems important to make the rules and focus of a discussion forum public to avoid misconceptions about its accepted use.
An approach to resolving a flame war or responding to flaming is to communicate openly with the offending users. Acknowledging mistakes, offering to help resolve the disagreement, making clear, reasoned arguments, and even self-deprecation have all been noted as worthwhile strategies to end such disputes. However, others prefer to simply ignore flaming, noting that, in many cases, if the flamebait receives no attention, it will quickly be forgotten as forum discussions carry on.[4] Unfortunately, this can motivate trolls to intensify their activities, creating additional distractions.
Taking the bait or feeding the troll refers to someone who responds to the original message regardless of whether they are aware the original message was intended to provoke a response. Often when someone takes the bait, others will point out to them YHBT for "You have been trolled," or reply with "don't feed the trolls." Forum users will also frequently "rate" the troll as means of acknowledgment, with statements such as "0/10, obvious troll is obvious", or "10/10, I raged."

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trevor

24th December 2010, 00:50
or read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_%28Internet%29"target=_blank> here
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karen

24th December 2010, 01:53
Best Wishes to all
Lets look forward to next year and new crosswords without getting too upset about them. I know in my heart, you are all good people,and have just got a bit carried away. Sometimes its a bit difficult to express yourselves by text,in a hurried way. Please remember we all just love doing crosswords,or we would not be visiting sites such as this. Or am I very wrong? Bestx
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trevor

24th December 2010, 02:12
Karen,
ooo you are lovely,seriously.
have a great time(all the time)x
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ruth

24th December 2010, 09:38
terry

With the aid of the link you provided I was able to refresh my memory of the disgraceful way you hounded and bullied K.
I quoted you as saying 'Get your head out of your arse' when you actually said 'You are in danger of disappearing up your own arse'
You justified this comment 'K must live a very sheltered life if it truly offends him.

The abuse led K to announce his departure from the site -


Terry

You will be pleased to know that I am leaving the forum with immediate effect. I won't miss your charming language but I'll be sorry to lose contact with all the friendly & knowledgeable people I've met in my short time here.
It is such a shame that a lovely forum can be spoiled by just one or two.
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ruth

24th December 2010, 09:47
I should have added that following K's departure several senior and well respected members implored him to reconsider, one stating ' A run in with Terry is obligatory for everyone!

Just about says it all I think.
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terry

24th December 2010, 15:33
Ruth,
You paint a picture of me single handedly running K out of town. That his own actions (including telling blatant lies on AB about a supposed petition on this site)played no part at all. If you really see things in such stark black and white terms there isn't much I can say is there.

Rather than yet another posting I'll comment here about Tourasts flaming thing. He'd be better off mugging up on Victim Culture because it seems pretty ingrained in him.

You (or Tourast)can say what you like now but I don't intend any further reply.
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nigel

24th December 2010, 18:18
Last clue 17d (right-hand grid). I've been thinking about this for hours with no luck. A?L?I?A?E and presumably the answer relats to 'hate'. Full clue is
said to b worse than a storm in a teacup beginning with hate. Thanks
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ajt

24th December 2010, 18:27
Your L is wrong; the answer is ABOMINATE
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trevor

24th December 2010, 19:25
Ruth,
can i first say that i truly wish you a merry christmas.
But,you have implicated me in the hounding out and bullying of an elderly person and said that anybody doing the more advanced crosswords would agree with you.(a bit snobby,i thought,but hey!)

honestly,some of your pompous hyperbole has made me laugh out loud.I can't get Alan Partridge' voice out of my head(although turast might just beat you for overblown bombast)

Having read back the link that terry posted,
K was the first person to be rude,refused to apologise or acknowledge the he might be wrong(and he was)and then left in a fit of pique blaming terry's use of the word Arse.(terrys Arse is a greusome prospect,i'd grant him that).

was he the elderly victim of sustained mental abuse that you mention,or was he the very sharp keen minded individual that you mention ?
undoubtably the latter,which makes it all the more puzzling why he left at the drop of a hat.

on second thought,not puzzling at all.he wasn't banished into the wilderness by a cruel tyrant arse called terry,he just carried on posting at the AB where his bwilliance is unquestioned.
everybody here gets his answers anyway and he only has to post them once!

where is mikey4444 whose stoopid post started all this hokum?

had more to say but my ride is here. please don't take anything i say too seriously(as if you did).
happy xmas to you and everybody else.byeeee
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