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63acornwall

20th August 2019, 13:26
I am ploughing on with this and on a couple of clues had enough letters in place to use quicksolve , which gave me answer(s) , but I would like help understanding them !

18d Vessel rounding island,one with voyage provisions (8)

I had V...T.C.M so quicksolve gives 1 solution viaticum......?

8d X refuse to accept C being bent (8)

I had T.N.E..Y , so quicksolve gives about 6 solutions , of which 2 seem likely ,
tangency and tendency ......??
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malone

20th August 2019, 13:30
8 X = Ten, Refuse to accept = Deny, C, in clue. Ten den c y, Tendency.
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malone

20th August 2019, 13:37
18 Vessel = Vat
Island = I, rounding island = put it inside Viat
One= I
With = Cum (kitchen cum dining room, for example)
Viaticum, voyage provisions
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brendan

20th August 2019, 13:38
Yes, VIATICUM

Vessel = VAT around..Island = I

One = I

With = CUM (It's Latin)
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brendan

20th August 2019, 13:41
Forget my Latin. I always thought it was but it doesn't appear in Google translate.
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63acornwall

20th August 2019, 13:47
brendan & malone - that's brilliant , just what I needed , thanks !
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malone

20th August 2019, 13:49
63acornwall, you're very welcome.

Brendan, I'd assumed it was Latin but Chambers made no mention of that - so neither did I!
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brendan

20th August 2019, 13:57
Hi Malone,

I dropped Latin in the 3rd year so I can't say i was ever any good at it but was so sure I didn't even check.

PS Just looked on Wikipedia and found this..

Cum may refer to:

In Latin, a preposition meaning with,
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malone

20th August 2019, 14:08
Thanks, Brendan. I think it's originally from Latin. though Chambers just has a little (L) at the very end. Other Latin terms, cui bono, for example, are defined as Latin at the start of their entry - that's usually what I rely on. Maybe 'cum' has passed into such common usage, it's regarded as a 'normal' word now?
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elle

20th August 2019, 15:09
Yes, "cum" is very definitely a Latin word.

It is described in my Latin dictionary as a preposition, meaning "with / together with"

It is assigned an (L) in my Chambers, and Collins has it as "History: Latin"
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