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rosalind

27th August 2016, 11:05
Hi elle
I only walk because I think it's healthy! I saw one person, a paper girl, and I did speak to her. It is a 30 minutes walk, half of it up quite a steep hill, so that's about all the exercise I will get today unless I decide to garden.
My mother darned socks and made some of our clothes. I preferred it when she bought them!

You're right, rusty, I don't pronounce the r in "sor" properly. The two words sound exactly the same to me. In Oxfordshire double ts are hardly pronounced at all, they're almost swallowed. My sons said them properly at home and the same as their friends at school.
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rusty

27th August 2016, 11:09
Hello, Elle,
There is another in today's Times.
"What might be taken for piercing sound of seabird" (6)
I have s?e?e?
I think it is skewer?
A skewer pierces.
Could the seabird be "skua"?
Surely the setter doesn't fondly think "skewer" and "skua" sound alike?
Or am I not seeing something?
Rosalind?
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rusty

27th August 2016, 11:15
Hello, Rosalind!
Many folk in Scotland leave out the "tt" sound in words like "butter".
It becomes "bu'er"!
I hasten to add, that i don't!
I am not sure at all on this, but is this an example of a "glottal stop"?
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elle

27th August 2016, 11:25
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, now here I would agree with the setter!
To me, "skewer" and "skua" sound exactly alike!
Language and pronunciation are peculiar things!
Rusty, did you see my earlier post to you at 9406?
I have looked up "Centennial" on both ebay and Amazon, and the difference in cost is minimal.
As I have funds remaining in my Amazon account, I have gone with that.
£3-99 and in very condition, coming from the U.S.
It will take 2-3 weeks.
I shall have a lot to read once all my deliveries arrive!
Ps. My son calls his friend Natalie.... "Na'alie"!!
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rosalind

27th August 2016, 11:29
Yes, I think youre right, rusty. that is a glottal stop. There's a lady on You Tube who decribes it very well
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malone

27th August 2016, 11:32
Rusty, Elle, Rosalind...unlike 'earn' and 'urn', the pronunciation guide (in Chambers) has 'skewer' and 'skua' pronounced differently. I'm with Rusty (and Chambers!) that these two words don't sound the same. 'Saw' and 'Sor' is equally bad, I feel and I was relieved that Chambers doesn't have the same pronunciation for both. Usage, common usage, is a different thing altogether, of course!
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rusty

27th August 2016, 11:47
Hello, Elle!
Yes, just checked your post.
From USA?
Well done!
I have had several books from USA.
Texas, New Jersey, etc.
All just as described and taking around 3 weeks to arrive.
Excellent prices and a great service!
I am thinking of getting another of Richard van Emden's,
"The Last Tommies".
Your son's friend would be at home up here!
She would get "Na'alie" from quite a few!
I am recording the Diamond League from Paris this evening.
Young Laura Muir is running.
Skewer = skua?
Never!
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pigale

27th August 2016, 11:51
Hi Everyone,

If I am not sure how to pronounce a new word, spelling plays an important part in guiding me - then, I have to think hard as how I thing a British person might pronounce it; I must say that I very often agree with Rusty (and Malone) in not agreeing with supposed homophones.

Still very hot here, but slightly more humid heat today.
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elle

27th August 2016, 12:22
Hi, Rusty!
I remember Richard van Emden from the "Somme" programme - a very well informed pleasant gentleman.
You said that his books were good!
Try these links.......
For glottal stops (I think this must be the one Ros meant)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUIRa0T0BV8
And for the pronunciation of skewer/ skua
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/skewer
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/skua
To me, the two sound identical!
Listen and tell me what you think?
But wouldn't life be boring if we all thought / sounded / whatever / the same?
Diversity is good!
I think the Diamond League that you are recording tonight is the one (highlights of which) I shall be watching on BBC2 tomorrow at 1pm!
Today's - on in another hour on BBC1 - is the one from Lausanne.
The BBC is all out of synch with Eurosport!
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rusty

27th August 2016, 12:51
Hello, Elle,
I prefer the American pronunciations although I roll my "r" more.
You would detect the difference if you heard me speak!
Diversity is very good.
We should escape living in "bubbles", too!
Eurosport should be good tonight.
They are showing the US Open tennis next week, too.
You would like that!
Laura Robson has qualified and plays Naomi Broady in the first round.
Just a thought...I have never bought anything on USA eBay, only US Amazon.
Not sure how good US eBay would be.
But Amazon is first class.
Yes, Richard van Emden seemed a helluva nice lad.
I like his books!
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