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Good evening, Elle!
Now that tale is not an original effort from me.
But I came across it years ago and it "stuck"!
I liked Emily and Mum!
There is a big bike race on Saturday, the Clasica San Sebastian.
And Ride London is on, too.
The Games are just a blessed mess, Elle, and we have no hero to fix things.
i did see the tweets from James Cracknel etc.
Universal disbelief and disgust from them all.
Remember to phone your cousin?

Good evening, Pigale!
Glad the story appealed to you!
It has been in my head a long time.
Not quite sure where it came from!

Hello, Markymark,
Make yourself at home on the Forum.
Plenty help etc available on here!

It may be pusillaminous of the IOC but at least perhaps they might have averted a war.
I've just been talking to the son who is keen on sport. he isn't going to watch any of the Olympics except hockey. Not just because of the drug problem, but also because he is very uncomfortable with so much being spent in a country where there are so many desperately poor people. Like the football stadium they built in the jungle, it can't be worth it.
Goodness, I wrote more than six words about sport!
A propos of my book club reading, "Painter of Silence", has anyone a view on whether a person who is deaf and mute, and can only write a very few words, (and doesn't sign) , think? Is thought possible without language? What could such a person make of, say, a church service?

Hi, Rusty!
Is 'Ride London' the one that goes around St James' Park and Birdcage Walk and Wellington Barracks etc - or is that a different race?
(I remember telling you all about St James' Park last year)
Does The Mall come into it?
I get confused sometimes!!
I haven't forgotten to phone my cousin!
She is away on holiday this week!
She has headed off vaguely in your direction; although only as far as Northumberland!
(Mind you, I did have to write it down on my wall calendar, so that I would know when we got around to today!)
Matthew Pinsett had things to say, too!, about the IOC's ill-fated decision!

Hello, Ros!
Umm. you may have a point......Putin was apparently talking of 'revenge' should the ban go ahead!
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking about a deaf and mute person? - who I believe do not like to be so termed, although I don't know what we should say instead?
Perhaps you could elucidate a little?

Hello, Elle,
That sounds a bit like Ride London.
Is there a bit of Surrey in there, too?
I do not think it is a top class race.
Possibly mainly British riders in it?
Or is there a Ride Surrey race?
Norhumberland is well South of me!
Glorious Goodwood is on this week.
There is always something going on!

Hello Ros,

My first reaction is yes, I think every living human does think - of what remains to be seen, but Descartes' 'I think, therefore I am' might also be turned the other way: 'I am, therefore I think'

Need to reflect a bit more about this though.

Rusty/Elle, was there not a race last year that passed through Jazzgirl place? Now, where would that be?

Hello, Pigale,
I think Jazzgirl lives in Surrey, yes.
Ride Surrey rings a bell with me?
But Ride London is on next week.
It may go through Surrey going to London.
I am confused!

Hi Pigale

I have read that without language , one cannot have a concept of self, of "I". A bit like a baby, I suppose.

Elle
The book has as a central character a deaf mute, and at least if we use that term we do know what we are talking about though I agree it seems not to be politically correct. No-one where he lived knew sign language. Because it's a book club, I have to think of some things to discuss! So I started thinking about language, specifically if it is possible to think without words.
I'm just reading a fascinating story of a man who really didn't have language, who didn't know what a word was, or that sound exists. He survived by copying (actions). An amazing woman (who had her own poblems with words and had learned signing) worked out how to get him to understand what words are, and to communicate. But when he finally had a language, he would never discuss his "dark time"

Hi, Rusty!
I'm sorry for the delay in answering - you have probably gone to bed!
I think that Ride London starts off from the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in London and possibly (?) goes through London via Canary Wharf?
Yes, it does go through Surrey - I definitely remember its going through Dorking.
I think it is 100 mile race.
I 'm fairly sure it ends back in London again, on The Mall.
What I cannot remember is whether this is also the same race that encompasses St James Park.
(I am sure that someone will correct me if I have this wrong!)
I shall now answer Ros and then I am away to bed!
It has gone midnight.
It is much cooler, so hopefully should be a pleasanter night.
Talk tomorrow!


Hello, Ros!
I've been thinking, but cannot come up with anything other than the following.....
Even if a man cannot hear or speak, or sign - thereby having no knowledge of "language" - would he not have a "concept" of things around him?
Can you have ''concept'' without having ''thought''?
I think possibly you can?
And he would also have a visual sense?
I shall ponder on it.....