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rusty

9th December 2015, 12:00
Good morning, Pigale!
Wind is rising here.
I knew Elle would tell us about Putney Heath!
Seems to be an abundance of parks and open spaces in London.
The city planners in days gone by, knew what they were at!
Is it "by" or "bye"?

Hello, Elle,
Yes, crack on with your cards. Remember Rose, too!
"Going great guns" is going to be my "phrase of the day" to get to the bottom of!
Yes, I know about Wimbledon. Even knew it was SW something!
Pine Cone tomorrow, but early appointment for a scrape and polish first. Miss La Bamba has an exam, so we shall have to duck and dive a wee bit to fit things in.
Lucky you with the weather! Very windy here.
Our clouds are "going a fair skelp" across the sky!
Another Scots phrase to keep you going!
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elle

9th December 2015, 15:12
Hi, Rusty!
Goodness, I am absolutely shattered! I didn't even stop for lunch!
But I am pleased to report that ALL my Christmas cards are now written!
I shall leave the daunting task of queuing up at the Post Office for the stamps until tomorrow. I cannot face it today!
I have a really bad feeling about the cards for Overseas - have I missed the last posting date, do you know?
What prompted you to find out about "Going great guns"?
As far as I was aware until today, it simply meant functioning with great speed or intensity - I didn't know what was behind the phrase?
I expect you have already investigated the "history", but if you haven't .......Brewers is very informative! Too much to copy out.....but take a look !
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pigale

9th December 2015, 16:30
Hi Elle, Can't find 'going great guns' in my brewer's, but found it in my copy of 'Idioms and their origin'. Like you I only knew of it as meaning 'achieve with great success, going at speed etc..


By the way Rusty, I think that the spelling is 'by' - sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

Quite chilly right now
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seamus, ayrshire

9th December 2015, 16:35
This page might help with resolving the origin of "Going Great Guns". (You need to scroll down to "Go".)

http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/gswithenbank/sayingsg.htm
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pigale

9th December 2015, 16:48
Thanks Seamus, it concurs with what 'Idioms and their origin' explained.
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elle

9th December 2015, 17:04
Hi. Pigale!
Try looking in Brewers under "Great guns".
It says that the meaning you have so far unearthed is now obsolete , but the original expression associated with horse -racing is still in use.
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rusty

9th December 2015, 17:36
Hello, Elle!
Supermarkets sell stamps, too, or newsagents.
So, that's "great guns" sorted!
I had a look at Brewer's, and that was a very good link that Seamus put up. Thank you!
I just come across these things and start to wonder.
I do not ever remember seeing a sentence with "kempt" in it.
Though it is in Chambers. Plenty of unkempt though.
I am not going to explore "willy-nilly" in case it is something rude!
The weather here is getting wilder by the minute!
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pigale

9th December 2015, 17:51
Elle, just tried under 'great guns' and found nothing, but I finally found the expression under 'gun', meaning simply doing something with vigour and efficiency.

We went through this before, comparing our various editions of the Brewers -

According to 'Idioms and their origin' it dates back from early 19th Century, when it referred to cannons as opposed to smaller portable arms; it then evolved into meaning a imposing /distinguish person (as opposed to lower classes I suppose), and then extended to a violent gales , as in 'it blows great guns' (canons roar, so do storms/gales. But in early 20th Century it only alluded to repeated firing of mighty cannon in battle.

No mention of horses at all.
Amazing how different two books of reference can be !
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seamus, ayrshire

9th December 2015, 17:56
Here's something to think about:

If DEMOLISH means to UN-BUILD, then surely MOLISH must mean BUILD! Unfortunately Chambers doesn't agree with me!
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pigale

9th December 2015, 18:03
Yea but again my chambers does not give UN-BUILD as the meaning of demolish, but rather 'lay in ruins', 'destroy', 'pull something down'.

I am not sure that demolish means unbuild carefully, stone by stone - what do you think?
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