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elle

30th November 2018, 18:05
Good evening, Rusty!
It has been a lovely afternoon!
The sunshine held out, but it feels to be growing colder.
Not that the dog cares...she will go out in all weathers barring a thunderstorm!
I hope your son managed to come round?
I think we are having family visiting us on Sunday.
I am a tad behind... I must go and organise dinner!
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rusty

30th November 2018, 20:47
Good evening, Elle!
It is cold here, too.
My son was here for quite a time in the afternoon.
No Pine Cone this weekend.
Miss L-B is working and Miss O is in Crieff.
So, left to my own devices!
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elle

30th November 2018, 21:55
Hi, Rusty!
You will miss seeing the girls!
But at least you did get over to the Pine Cone twice last weekend!
I have tried to finish the remainder of the crossword...
Only two clues left to do....please can you help me?
12a: Soothing stuff from peace-keepers following confrontation on pitch (8)
?F?E?SUN
I thought "UN" for "peace-keepers"? but couldn't see anything else?
5d: Coastal regions provided one with cover when lifting felon (7,3)
P?C???C / ?I?
Is the first word "pacific"?
And how about the definition for 4d: Mature, upwardly mobile daughter, dated brother (4)
I have "egad"
age (reversed) - mature
d - daughter
I cannot see a definition?
"Egad" is an exclamation expressing surprise, anger, or affirmation.
What does "dated brother" have to do with it?
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rusty

30th November 2018, 22:06
Hello, Elle!
Yes, I shall miss the young ones!
12a, is something called "aftersun" which I have not came across before. "Afters" can be a bit of a skirmish on a playing field, I suppose.
5d, I have "Pacific Rim"
"crim" is slang for "felon", "cover" is "cap".
I have "egad", too.
I am sure the definition is "brother".
I think it is an American expression of surprise, not unlike "egad".
No idea about "dated" unless the setter is indicating that it an old expression?
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rusty

30th November 2018, 22:08
Update, Elle!
Just checked Chambers and they have "aftersun" as a lotion applied to damaged skin after sunbathing.
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elle

30th November 2018, 22:52
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, thank you!
Yes, I can see "Pacific Rim" now that you have pointed the components out to me!
I do not understand "afters" - how is this a skirmish on a playing field?
( I do not remember any "afters" on the lacrosse field!)
I have never heard the term, other than its meaning "dessert" to be eaten after one's main course!
I did not know that "egad" means "brother"?
You are probably right about "dated" implying it is an old expression...that would make sense, wouldn't it?
Well, I have learned something new today!
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rusty

30th November 2018, 23:09
Hello, Elle!
"Afters"! This is my take on it!
If you can imagine a rough tackle on a football field immediately followed by the two players having a go verbally or physically at each other, then that can be referred to as "afters".
Is that any help? I wonder what Chambers has to say about it?
Now "egad" does not mean "brother", but they are both expressions of "surprise", as is "holy smoke", for instance.
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rusty

30th November 2018, 23:13
Update, Elle!
Here's your afters!
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/afters
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elle

30th November 2018, 23:26
Hi, Rusty!
Yes, I do see what you are saying, but I still cannot understand why it should be called "afters"....... other than it is taking place "after" something that happened "before"?
Chambers simply agrees with me...that "afters" is a course following the main meal.
I suspect this will remain one of life 's little mysteries!
Oh, I am with you about "egad"...... an equivalent of "Jumping Jehosaphat"!
Now, totally irrelevantly, but simply conjured up by the word "brother", do you remember a comedy programme ages called "Oh Brother!", where Derek Nimmo played a bungling monk?
It was very funny!
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elle

30th November 2018, 23:33
Oops, Rusty!
Our posts crossed !
Your update wasn't there when I started typing my previous post.
Thank you for that explanation.
Funnily enough, I do often use the Collins Online dictionary, but didn't check it this time, using Chambers instead.
Unless I missed it (always possible) I didn't find it in Chambers?
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