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elle

17th August 2018, 20:17
Hi, Rusty!
Thank you.
I have never heard of "kettle" used in that way.
I only know it as a kitchen utensil in which one boils water!
I can see "railing", but do not understand "tombola".
I shall put the book clearance on hold now, until I can get more boxes - and probably time wise until after the family has been.
The books are in very good condition.......they will be better in a box , if the charity shop hopes to sell them.
I reckon I'm probably looking at about a dozen more boxes...if I continue to be "firm" with myself!!
(My resolve may weaken overnight....)
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malone

17th August 2018, 20:24
Rusty, Elle, I too puzzled over Tombola - until I remembered the big round ( wooden, I think) drum that used to feature in the my mum's church Christmas Fayre. That was what was spun, then a winning ticket would be pulled out. I assume the 'drum roll' is just the spinning of this?
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rusty

17th August 2018, 20:36
Hello, Elle!
That "kettle" is not in my old Chambers, but I have seen it used on the News several times, when police are confining demonstrators to prevent them marching.
Could be, I suppose, that it is only a Scottish term?
Is it not in your much newer Chambers?
I have looked up "tombola" in Chambers, and it states that winning tickets are drawn from a revolving drum, I think.
So, the clue looks fine?

Hello, Malone!
Yes, your "tombola" parse makes good sense.
I should have looked it up in the dictionary earlier!
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chrise

17th August 2018, 20:40
I don't know the clue, but "kettling" was a controversial police tactic used against protests in London some years ago....
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malone

17th August 2018, 20:41
Rusty, glad you got the tombola sorted. 'Kettle' (as in forming a cordon) isn't in my 12th edition Chambers, but is in the revised 13th. It's not given as Scottish.
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rusty

17th August 2018, 20:42
Update, Elle!
I have Chambers Dictionary on an app on my 'phone.
I looked up "kettle" and one definition is,
"an enclosed area created by cordons of police officers to control public protesters."
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malone

17th August 2018, 20:48
Rusty, isn't it good that language evolves to keep up with current events? I'm not a fan of all new words, of course, but it's interesting at times!
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chrise

17th August 2018, 20:51
Hi malone
Yes, but I would make a distinction between words taking on new meanings, and words with different meanings becoming interchangeable. I find the latter so aggravating...
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rusty

17th August 2018, 20:54
Hello, Malone!
Posts are crossing!
Yes, I like to see the language evolve.
I keep forgetting my Chambers app!
I got it several years ago from Google Play Store and it is very good.
I wonder how they came up with "kettle" for confinement?
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malone

17th August 2018, 20:55
ChrisE, you're ever so slightly aggravating with your aggravating! (The real meaning is and always has been known to me.)
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