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elle

27th July 2017, 12:12
Hi, Rusty!
That sounds an interesting "tweet" about the uses of "in" and "to" and "into"!
Now, you have given me something to think about...!
Mostly I think we use the words by instinct without reasoning out what we are doing.
If I have it right, "into" is a preposition, used before a noun or pronoun;
whereas "in" and "to" are both adverbs and prepositions;
" in" is also an adjective and a noun, too.
And sometimes they are both part of a verb.
I shall be interested to learn all about this properly when you have read it up!
As regards "shall" and "will"........
I always remember the sayings we were taught at school!
" I SHALL drown and no -one WILL save me" means that one expects to drown.
Whereas
"I WILL drown and no one SHALL save me".......implies suicidal intent!
I think the general rule is that "shall" should be used with first persons singular and plural, and "will" is used with second and third persons.
English Grammar is one of my hobby horses!
Of course, I am not always correct in my personal usage! but I thoroughly enjoy looking into it!
I hope you have a good time at wherever you end up on your outing!
Hopefully, you will make it to the Pine Cone though, as planned, without too many deviations!
I am being beset by "junk" phone calls this morning.......very irritating!
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pigale

27th July 2017, 12:18
Hello Elle,

Do you not also use 'Shall' when wanting to express a strong
determination, almost an order?
eg : You SHALL do it!
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elle

27th July 2017, 12:22
Hi, Pigale!
No, I think that would definitely be "You WILL do it!"
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pigale

27th July 2017, 13:30
Hi Elle,

I don't wish to argue with you, since you seem to be an authority
on English grammar, yet I distinctly remember reading about
this particular use of Shall; Perhaps my memory is playing me
up!
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elle

27th July 2017, 13:35
Hi, Pigale !
Goodness, I'm no authority on anything!
Just an interested learner!
I'm often wrong about things!
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chrise

27th July 2017, 13:38
Hi pigale
You are probably thinking of the Frenchman who fell into the Serpentine Lake in London's Hyde Park and shouted
"I will drown, and no-one shall save me!"




...so no-one did!
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pigale

27th July 2017, 13:41
Hi Chrise,

Yes, but surely he could also have said

I 'shall' drown, and no-one will stop me!

In fact I had not heard of this Frenchman!
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chrise

27th July 2017, 13:42
Sorry elle, - I didn't scroll down to your post!
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pigale

27th July 2017, 13:48
Actually, my answer to Chrise serves no purpose since Shall is
used with 1st person singular!
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jazzgirl

27th July 2017, 13:49
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/shall-or-will

I rarely, if ever, use "shall". It does not come naturally to me.
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