Luckily I was born in, and still live in, the area where these words are, if not commonplace, at least weel-kent. But the difficulty some solvers are having raises a point which some setters seem to ignore (or to be unaware of). The current Chambers is the 13th or 14th - I used to have them going back to the Mid-Century Edition, but have given old versions to children, grand-children, and at least two libraries. One literally fell apart. Similarly Bradford. I have the ODQ back to the first edition. My point is that a setter may refer to the version on his/her shelves and be unaware that other editions may not have the same reference. It's the crossword editor's job to make sure that unplanned difficulties which the setter has inadvertently overlooked don't make life harder for the solver - the customer, after all. This is made harder when the setter is also the editor. I know that when the Listener's editors set puzzles the other editor sharpens his antennae (sorry about the mixed metaphor) accordingly. Does Doc have a co-editor here?