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elle

12th March 2017, 11:08
You're welcome!
It took me a while yesterday to see it myself.
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brunel

12th March 2017, 11:20
Help please with these,
13 d. Undisciplined, disliking untidiness? Grow up! (3-7)
I have ?F? ??s?a?e
17 ac. In the long run, earl's child follows revolutionary. (8)
????t?o?
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graemer

12th March 2017, 11:26
13d Off Mess age

17a Marat Hon
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brunel

12th March 2017, 11:29
Thanks boatman, so simple, once you see the answer! double DOH!
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thewordcage

12th March 2017, 14:18
Sorry, Mamya, but it just ain't so. "Pants" isn't "one of the following words" it is solely part of the answer, not the clue. And " feet as hot" anags only "seat of the".

In your version we'd have to understand (1) "hot" as doing double duty--which wd be fair enough, except that (2) we must then understand "hot" as signifying "pants", as you imply--and which, quite flatly, it does, not. And then (3) having made that impossible leap, accept that "pants" in turn can mean anag---which is news to me, but even if it's acceptable as such, it is step 2 that is simply absurd. "Hot" can no more stand in for "pants" than can "fast" for "car" or "drop" for "dead". Not for the first time recently, the Times's setters have gone way off limits.
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jazzgirl

12th March 2017, 15:33
Just looking in on my coffee break...
"pants" has often been used as an anagram indicator. eg
"thin robe baggy pants" an original idea (3,4,6) = big bang theory
However,, there is a ? at the end of the clue being discussed on here, which usually indicates a joke or similar intricate working out. " Representation of "is the first indicator and "pants" is included in the rest of the "joke" It is very clever if you think about it long and hard enough
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rusty

12th March 2017, 15:48
Well put, Jazzgirl!
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jazzgirl

12th March 2017, 16:48
@thewordcage
Your first paragraph to Mamya has given how the clue works.
In other words,
representation of :
"feet as hot" = "seat of the" anagrammed
i.e. "seat of the" pants
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oedipus

12th March 2017, 18:26
Cannot being hot for something and panting for something both mean the same i.e to agitate for something?
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jazzgirl

12th March 2017, 22:01
I have just been advised that this type of clue is known as a "reverse anagram"
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