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That's a good idea - I don't like not understanding the making of a clue.

Quarter to twelve??? Quarter before/in front of twelve. Not too well crafted, eh?

No, not really - I understand what you are saying but still have problems in applying it to the clue - as I said before, I am being very obtuse and will look up Times for the Times explanation.

Thanks Jolan for trying !

Just thinking it could be - in front of = Previous TO. Grot + to
Just a thought - still a rubbish clue

Per para 3

with the link !
http://www.yourdictionary.com/in-front-of

I think it must be grot + to, but I still don't like it !

Cheers Chrisg

Hi again,

just had a look at Times for the Times, and am none the wiser - the 'team of solvers' gave more or less the same explanation as you all did and thought it 'a bit odd', or else thought the TO might come from 'in' fronT Of' - Still weird I think !

Thanks for the update, Pigale. I'm glad my 'in fronT Of' wasn't a ridiculous idea. It's still one of those slightly unsatisfactory clues!

Yes none of the parsing actually fits the clue. Mistake by the setter methinks