Well Chrisg you did a "little" bit of research I don't think so, you have gone to a lot of trouble and excelled yourself, well done indeed. Many thanks to Bernie as well and if I had looked at 11 across I MIGHT (don't think so!!) have solved it myself. I can now relegate the crossword to the bin and start on my next one, I expect you will hear from me. Once again Chris fantastic work.