Surely I'm not the only one who remembers the Warwick Avenue / Hogarth answer already being debated backwards & forwards not so long ago (if I remember correctly, on both Forums) without any definite conclusion?! Only thing I got out of it personally was hearing the Duffy recording for the first time (I live abroad). So I know that doesn't help, but I fear you may be "flogging a dead horse", if you'll pardon the expression. No hard feelings, no offence intended, just a reminder!