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8 the entrance could have 5 bars.

Thanks rossim for your clues I know nothing about football teams will have to phone a friend !!! Will work on the other one.

No need to waste money on a phone call! Just google my clue and famousfives clue and you will be there.

Thanks rossim got it !!!! just the one to go now does the first word begin with P or am I barking up the wrong tree again.

It's only one word (without a P in it).
The first part sounds like a small word meaning ancient and the second part is a type of entrance - and I've given you a clue for that already.

Thanks rossim for your help & patience I think I'm there this time.

You're welcome. I've been out digging and planting all day for my town's contribution to Britain in Bloom so I was glad to sit down for a while.