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2nd on Toni

Thank you so much, Helena

could the first be craps?

Snipe is a game bird popular with shootists. And snipe can also mean to shoot (like what a sniper does).

I answered fallen idol to the crossing clue ,which gave me the N .The clue is ,One down-erstwhile he ,r o,(6,4)I originally thought second word was ,hero but all letters were wrong .I am reasonable certain of letters I have for both words ?a?l??, ?d?l.Of course I could be completly wrong ,which wouldnt surprize in the least!

yes Terry ,it was sniper I had in mind

No idea how my second-last post arrived in a hugh page!

snipe it is - hadn't thought of the game bird connection

Thank you ,Terry and Ixion, I have went for snipe