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bunty

27th March 2017, 13:52
Ground to a halt now with this........help required please with NW and SE sections! I have the second part of the message (or most of it..) so know what to do with the clues before entry

12a Beauty attracts (5) ...possibly charm/ charms ?? no letters placed

14a Anti fraud system likely to occupy company accountant (7) letters in grid "possibly" ????AC ( 1st 2 might be CO for company??)

18a Vehicle on runners in collision at the outset - major operation ensues (8, tw words) I have ????ACT ( although A and C are dubious!)
20a Cover the roots of edelweiss regularly with drop of water (6, two words) ????N. ( I have looked at alternative letters in edelweiss as alternatives ... but getting nowhere fast!)
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throck

27th March 2017, 14:03
12a Attracts is the definition, and the change described by the second instruction has affected the beginning.

14a The last two letters are CA, which should have a letter in between, in accordance with the second instruction.

18a Your last three letters are correct -- to become AC?T

20a Alternative letters of edelweiss indeed, but lose the S, and the N is right, and follow second instruction at the start.

Having said which, I have the two thematic entries, but am not clear how to apply the first instruction to them.
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throck

27th March 2017, 14:09
Sorry, not alternative, regularly spaced.
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keepatit

27th March 2017, 14:21
Throck, I think you simply shift each word one cell to the right, so that the first starts in column 2, the second in column 4.

I read 20ac the same way, letters 3, 6 and 9
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throck

27th March 2017, 14:38
Thanks, keepatit, that was the only thing I could think of, too.
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bunty

27th March 2017, 14:43
many thanks throck ... a great help ... that corner nearly sorted now
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kirky

27th March 2017, 16:07
Stuck on 45a: In LA, conform to expectations with test-drive off-road initially (5,two words). For the grid entry I have E?TO..... have tried all variations of how the 2nd part of the message could have worked... perhaps I have gone wrong somewhere and have a wrong letter??
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djawhufc

27th March 2017, 16:31
it's Hew To
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novice

27th March 2017, 22:22
I can't see the two thematic elements- help please!
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kirky

28th March 2017, 08:10
i can see one of the 2 at the start of row 6 ...move it one column along...looking for the other now...
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