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30a. Dimwit left fish spread sandwiches (8)

C - - - P - T -

and

8a. Innocent supporters perhaps father names one after another (9)

P - P - - - S - -

These two have me stumped!

Sally

clodpate

Thank you aljanon - I hadn't heard of that word before.

Sally

8a Papalists ?

Sally, I can only think of two words that fit

PAPYRUSES ? FATHER = PAPY but cant understand the rest.

but more likely to be. The good and the great can comment on whether that is right.

POPULISTS ? father = POP one after the other LISTS

Ah yes! Thanks Silly Boy - clever boy.

Sally

Well done Silly Boy - not bad for a bluebird!

Thank you Colin ! ;o)

I found CLODPATE by using Quick Solve

times no 854 10 letters (forces) moved elsewhere