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Thnks, leon - I think my musings might not be too daft! Having read the preamble, g/gravity definitely was a concern for Newton. I still have no idea what to do with the fish part,

many thanks les40,chips and aristophanes, I can now see 'herring' in the grid ,will finish it off tomorrow,thanks again for all your help

I don't think it fair on setters to broadcast answers to current puzzles as Leon has done. The contributors to AnswerBank are by and large more disciplined.

Why not? - this is a Crossword help Forum - if users don't want answers, then don't look. I know the "listener" is the elite puzzle, but we should be encouraging people with it, not putting them off, and if they can get a little help on here then so be it.

The same could be said about any crosswords. Solvers come on here ( and answerbank) for help from those more experienced and nearly always learn from their answers particularly if they are explained.There are very few people just in it for the prizes.

I am all in favour of encouraging beginners, but see the parallel AnswerBank thread for how (in my opinion) to do it.

No Thanks Love, not interested. Now why don't you 'off home to Answerbank. Oh sorry! Am I not being urbane enough and following YOUR revised conventional code of conduct and etiquette?

Hey! I didn't even swear then.

I don't do the Listener crossword.
I don't mind Answerbank sticking to its code/rules/convention of not giving answers to Listener crosswords.
I do, however, find the tone of some of the comments on AB, re Listener and Crossword Help Forum, rather unpleasant. One ABer said today, 'The rules of [Crossword Solver] forum do not seem to indicate that this is in any way prohibited.'
There is also the suggestion that this forum should 'amend the rules to preclude overt giving of solutions.'
Why should anyone on AB think they are entitled to change the way things are done on another, separate forum/crossword site?

That's quite a selective edit, chips. The post from which you quote actually says: "... to preclude overt giving of of solutions to prize puzzles before the submission date", which is far less prescriptive and more reasonable, don't you think?

Having now read the rest of the comments in that particular AB thread, none seems at all unpleasant to me, and certainly none stoops to using personal insults, which can't be said of responses here.

Unhelpful, I shortened the quote only to avoid going on at great length.

'...to preclude overt giving of solutions to prize puzzles before the submission date.' Why does this apply only to Listener puzzles? Other crosswords can be as difficult to solve - Mephisto, Inquisitor - but the answers to these are given very readily. Why is it OK to help with one crossword, but not with another?
I agree totally with one AB poster, 'We see the Listener as different, but other people simply do not share that view.'

As someone who has been criticised for giving answers to the so called 'Advanced Cryptics'
(EV, Inquisitor, Azed etc) I do believe I am helping the less experienced solvers trying to progress.
As for The Listener I do think they have a special case.The other puzzles, while being prize ones, do not have a points & league system for solvers, resulting in an annual dinner & award ceremony for the leading
contributors.
I am a Listener solver but I do not participate in the discussions on Answerbank and elsewhere.