Yes OK Ninian thanks. We're having a very bad weather day today. Ferries cancelled again, so the papers will be late again tomorrow. I'm not convinced by the crossie today, I've got crumbs for 8d) I think they call that a double definition from Goodness and scraps, but I'm not certain I've got it right. I get the r & m (possibly s )from the clue that would leave cub????